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Ben Blau
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Here's something to think about:

Do you believe in the concept of infinity? If infinity exists, then by definition all things are true and false simultaneously. So ESP exists and doesn't exist.

So there you go!

:)
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Lengthy posts...passionate on both sides.

Here's the thing: I can't imagine doing a mentalism performance if my CHARACTER didn't believe he was doing it for real. Whatever I believe is irrelevant.

I'm not sure that Christopher Lee had to believe in the existence of vampires in order to play one.

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If there is no scientific evidence for what you think you are doing...it could possibly be something else, WHAT that something else is - is the interesting part (for me)...

some people are in a rush to claim what that "something" is..."oh, its just b*llsh*t, they're scamming, they're delusional..." - though there might be evidence for some people doing/being that...its a big ask to label ALL that do that something with the same comment...

there's a huge gulf between a possibility and the stark science of something...both can be equally as beautiful in different ways... the differences between those two things is also beautiful...

my mum and dad met by chance...huuuuuuuuuuuge, vast, crazy chance...

dad was in the navy at the time
the secretary college my mum was in had the chance to write to a serviceman
they would not know who their letter would be given to, nor which of the armed forces
just so happened my mum's one went to my dad, who was in the royal navy
they wrote to each other for a year before speaking to one another
all the time my dad going from country to country, japan, india, mexico, pretty much everywhere
every letter made it across, from both sides
they finally spoke
they continued writing for another six months
eventually met on the isle of wight
while all this was going on, he was shot at in vietnam (before the war started)
missed being bombed by the IRA by about five minutes
though he didn't miss the crate that fell on his head and gave him concussion
he babysat royalty
he went on patrols in dangerous areas, with nothing but wooden bullets in a gun everyone had to borrow
and my mum's adoptive mum (her real mum's sister) forbade my mum from ever writing to this sailor fellow
everything was kept secret by her friends
my mum upped sticks to live with my dad's relatives on the isle of wight until he had some leave
fell in love, got married, together for over 50 years

huge odds...

depending on your belief - its huge random chances, fate, or something else inbetween...

these things happen though... possibilities are fascinating...
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Aha Naval blood. That explains the powerful 'tache genes.
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IAIN
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Indeed... though my dad favoured something called MDGs...

remind me later to tell you what it stands for - basically, you grew two perfectly square shapes, high on each cheek, opposite the nostrils...
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On 2014-02-09 20:43, Ben Blau wrote:
Here's something to think about:

Do you believe in the concept of infinity? If infinity exists, then by definition all things are true and false simultaneously. So ESP exists and doesn't exist.

So there you go!

:)


How so?
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I think its the same basis of the monkey/typewriter thing...that due to things being infinite there is always the possibility for something to come into being...
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Don't believe? Fine. But if your argument hinges upon your knowledge of a CT or whatever, then that's a pretty weak, lame argument. It also borders on smug. In other words, being a trickster says nothing about the level of one's intelligence, or how deeply one has studied and considered the field of PSI.

Any Joe Schmo can read a magic book.
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Yup, gullible... Smile
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On 2014-02-10 08:21, IAIN wrote:
I think its the same basis of the monkey/typewriter thing...that due to things being infinite there is always the possibility for something to come into being...


Sure, but the concepts go way beyond that. If there is such a thing as infinity, all things have occurred an infinite number of times, and also have not. This pushes the limits of the human intellect to comprehend. It is possible that what we conceive as the notion of infinity is a byproduct of human intellectual capacity, and we are incapable of even asking the right questions about the true nature of existence in the first place!

If you accept that infinity exists, then it is impossible for anything to be false (or true), for to think otherwise contradicts the meaning of the
Word.

What gets tricky, is the rejection of infinity. That has religious implications, which I won't touch with a ten foot pole in a public forum.
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Oh come on Ben, you can reject infinity without implicating religion!
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There is definitely such a thing as infinity. This thread by the very length of it proves it.
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On Sep 4, 2014, psychicir wrote:
There is definitely such a thing as infinity. This thread by the very length of it proves it.


Too funny! Though there goes my guilty pleasure of being a "thread killer" back on 2/10.
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