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shaky New user Dorset, U.K. 79 Posts |
What's the best way to force a card on a child without having to use sleights as my card skills aren't too hot!
Cheers Shaky |
Starrpower Inner circle 4070 Posts |
Use a "Pop-eyed Popper" forcing deck. They make 'em in a jumbo size, too. No skill required. And it's so good, Copperfield has used it on several occasions. It's basically the same concept used in the McCombical deck force.
Alternately, use a one-way force deck. Who says you have to show the deck? Don't make a big deal out of it, and kids won't even ask (nor adults ... I used one for a long time when I worked cruises for the "Shooter" trick. Never was challenged.) The cross-cut force is okay for table use, but weak for standup. I have found the Hindu shuffle force to require next to no skill, but is highly effective under all situations; I've even used is with a jumbo deck. The "cut deeper" force works, but is a little too involved for my tastes ... and kids might not understand it. |
Ron Reid Inner circle Phoenix, Arizona 2732 Posts |
Hello Shaky:
You can use a Svengali deck. A Pop-eyed popper deck works too (this is the mechanical deck that David Copperfield has used through the years). Lastly, the Mirage deck, which is a Svengali/Pop Eyed combiniation works well. I have used all three to force cards; all three decks can be purchased from most any dealer. Ron |
kenscott Inner circle 1869 Posts |
Popeyed would be the best .
Or you could use the one way force like was mentioned. However, what you could do is have 25 of the same card and the other 25 cards be different. Have the different cards on the bottom and the dupes on top. Fan the bottom of the deck to show all different and the force the top portion of th deck. If you can't classic one of 25 cards then don't do it. LOL Ken |
RJE Inner circle 1848 Posts |
I'd say go with the Hindu shuffle. You can use any deck, regular size or jumbo, your own or borrowed. It doesn't require any card skill as long as you can do a simple overhand shuffle.
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magic4u02 Eternal Order Philadelphia, PA 15110 Posts |
Want the easiest method... use a one way forcing deck. Can't get much easier then that. I always liked the slip force. It is not so hard to do and it looks really clean.
Kyle
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Joseph_Then Special user 747 Posts |
It would be good, Shaky, to invest some time in learning a little skill in card sleights.
Simple sleights like fanning, shuffling, etc and a couple of card-force techniques will do. It will look good visually for the audience if you can just display a little bit of card skills before forcing a card. This little dip of skills can make a difference from you and other performers. Afterall, people hire you because you are skilled right? I'm not good at card sleights too, but I invest the time for it and I can "show off" a little on stage just for visual sake. |
oagwood Veteran user Pleasant Hill, CA 392 Posts |
I agree with Joseph, suck it up and learn to force a card, most magic literature have several methods. If you don't have a book, go to your library and check one out, I would suggest mark wilson's book as it is usually in most libraries.
That said, slip force, very simple, easy to learn and looks really good. However don't discount the classic force just because you don't think you have the skills with cards, it's not really that difficult, just takes some guts in the beginning. oliver |
magic4u02 Eternal Order Philadelphia, PA 15110 Posts |
Slip force or even a hindu force work well and are not that difficult to learn if you practice and are shown the proper handling for them both. This way it gives you options during your performance.
Kyle
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Starrpower Inner circle 4070 Posts |
I have mixed feelings about two points Jospeh made. First, I disagree that you should "display a little bit of card skills" before forcing a card. Just do it. Watch Kreskin -- he almost looks likes he's fumbling with the cards. Don't make a suggestion that you are contrloing the cards at all, and the force will be much less noticable. If you act like you are in control of the cards, they may suspect trickery where you don't want them to.
Secondly, I don't know that people hire us because we are skilled; they hire us because we can *entertain* them. I'd take a no-skilled Mak-Magic magician who has a natural sense of humor over a "Ed Marlo" type who has temendous skill but is boring any day! |
The Bonnie Kids Loyal user Sweden (Västerås) 267 Posts |
Why don't you use the Svengali Deck?
It has been mentioned one time only but I think it is a powerful idea. Error free! /Andrea |
charliemagic Special user 545 Posts |
Andrea,
This is just my opinion but the Svengali Deck is not as fool proof or error free as the "Pop-eyed Popper" forcing deck.The Svengali Deck needs to either have a card cut to or counted down to while the "Pop-eyed Popper" deck you can also have the spectator touch a single card;you can not do that with the Svengali deck. I know I will be corrected if I am wrong. I usually use a half forcing deck (for children)as described by Ken ('have 25 of the same card and the other 25 cards be different. Have the different cards on the bottom and the dupes on top. Fan the bottom of the deck to show all different and the force the top portion of th deck'). For adults I usually use the Hindu shuffle. Charlie |
Decomposed Eternal Order High Desert 12059 Posts |
Does anyone know who on the Café was selling the one ways for $3? No search function now:(
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magic4u02 Eternal Order Philadelphia, PA 15110 Posts |
One ways for 3 bucks? Heck just make your own. So many ways to get cards for next to nothing. Half the bridge clubs throw cards out cause they can not be used after tournaments. You can get these free if you ask for them.
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Joseph_Then Special user 747 Posts |
Well, I will have to clarify and make my point.
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Watch Kreskin -- he almost looks likes he's fumbling with the cards. Don't make a suggestion that you are contrloing the cards at all, and the force will be much less noticable. Kreskin, like Jeff McBride, Lance Burton, MacKing are famous magician status. What they do reflects their own style which they have built for years. Fumbling with cards (Lennart Green does that... on purpose!), may be their style because it suits them. Many of us are NOT famous (sort of ), thus we have to rely on other aspects of performance. You have to show that you are a confident performer. Adults, who are paying you, will know if you are skilled in cards or just a novice in cards. Of course, I'm not saying that you must display 'Tudor look-alike' skills but at the minimum, if you want to use a deck of cards, show that YOU ARE IN CONTORL of cards. Just a dip of skills for VISUAL sake if it suits the routine that follows. Unless you are 100% sure that fumbling with cards suits your style of performance. We have to look different from another person who is a novice playing with cards. Quote:
I'd take a no-skilled Mak-Magic magician who has a natural sense of humor over a "Ed Marlo" type who has temendous skill but is boring any day! Mak-Magic magician and Ed Marlo are 2 totally different 'extreme' style of magicians and Ed Marlo does not perform for birthday parties. People nowadays are educated. They have seen enough magic and may have learnt as much as we do. These laymen knows the skills we do but does not practice. We, as professional magicians, knows the skills AND PRACTICE TO PERFECTION. Today, any teenager or newbie with $$$ can just buy 10 Mak-magic props, calls himself a magician, performs in a party and undercuts everyone. So what's the difference between these people and a 'no-skilled Mak-magic performers'? Gone were the days where we can just rely on props and props to entertain. Yes, you still can use props but if you add no skills to it that will place this 'mak-magic' performer in the same league with those newbies. (I like Mak Magic tricks, let me insist this ) I know there would be people who still disagree with me but let me say that I come of the school of thought where we believe that 'If you are a magician, you must display skills'. Just my thoughts and I hope you don't mind. Let me know your thoughts, guys, and if it warrants a new thread, someone please start one and start throwing your thoughts and let's benefit from it! |
Emazdad Inner circle Plymouth UK 1954 Posts |
I'm with starrpower on this, when entertaining adults a show of skil is important, with kids however it's the fun that's more important than the actually magic. The old adage 'KISS' 'Keep it simple stupid' springs to mind.
Keeping it simple allows you to focus your attention on the important things in the show, IE the kids, rather than what you are doing magic wise. <<<<<<Gone were the days where we can just rely on props and props to entertain. Yes, you still can use props but if you add no skills to it that will place this 'mak-magic' performer in the same league with those newbies. (I like Mak Magic tricks, let me insist this ) >>>>> An entertaining magician will keep the kids entertained and happy for an hour, a purly skillful magician will amaze the kids for 20-minutes. Ideally you need a mixture of both, but the ability to entertain will always be the most important. I have a mate who is exceedingly technically skillfull, but people find his magic boring, he's a magicians magician and not a natural entertainer. He impresses other magicians with his skill, but is no way entertaining. Any fool can go and by some simple kids tricks from a dealer and offer themselves out to partys, lots do, but they don't last long in this business, these fly by nights don't fail because of lack of skill, the tricks require little skill, they fail because they do not have a proffessional attitude or standards and a have total lack of entertaining skills. If I wanted to get a kid to pick a card, (I don't do card tricks for kids myself as it wouldn't matter which card they took as most kids wouldn't reccognise it again anyway) I'd do it just the same as anything else, either a fun magicians choice, or a simple slip force.
Yours Funfully
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p.b.jones Inner circle Milford Haven. Pembrokeshire wales U.K. 2642 Posts |
Secondly, I don't know that people hire us because we are skilled; they hire us because we can *entertain* them. I'd take a no-skilled Mak-Magic magician who has a natural sense of humor over a "Ed Marlo" type who has temendous skill but is boring any day!
Hi, True, But if I saw two magicians one who was entertaing and another who was both entertaining and skilful I would go for the latter, It's not a case of being one or the other I think the aim is to be both Phillip |
Decomposed Eternal Order High Desert 12059 Posts |
One ways for 3 bucks? Heck just make your own. So many ways to get cards for next to nothing. Half the bridge clubs throw cards out cause they can not be used after tournaments. You can get these free if you ask for them.
Kyle, He had Bikes, brand new. Penguin sells them for 8.95 each. I should have bought them when I had the chance.
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