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Wondered if anyone uses this move for the cups and balls and what are your reactions/actions with it?
ie: final loads?
What are your angles?

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The secret of using the pitch in this context is not the angles, but the misdirection. With balls, you do NOT a distortion of shape. A coin goes flat as it travels from one hand to the other, so it's hard to see. A ball stays round, so is much more visible.
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I personnaly use this clever move to make a apple appear...
So I guessed (never tried it yet as I thought of it this morning) while moving a ball from right to left, I could load my lemon using this move. Still I've noticed you have to be sure the spec is actuallly following the coin/ball that you pass.
I personnaly only can do it once
(as on the second time I suck... just can't "aim right))

When speaking about the angle, my sylvester works best if I'm slightly on one side, covering the move ^partly with arm (if someone watching the "wrong" hand wich can happen if more than one spec)

I don't understand "distortion" of shape.. I thought the tricks relies on the fact one can't focus on two things at the same time... kind'of a retention but not so...

When playing with coin and apple, you have a HUGE distortion of shape, yet it works...
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Reed McClinktok has some intrested moves for the cups and balls that uses a very Sylvester Pitch-esque principles...

Check them out, I love it for loading a cup very invisibly
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I am building a routine, in whitch I do a Sylvester pitch, just when I toss a cup from one hand to the other.
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Check the Johnny Paul routine (tape at http://www.stevensmagaic.com on cups and balls) and you will see him throw the cup concealing a ball, from hand to hand (sponge balls).

Looks like real magic. Before you watch the METHOD - I bet you are totally baffled at where the balls come from ini the first phases.
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HI Pete, I have seen that tape and it is truly magical. I was so impressed I purchased the cups from stevens.
My problem is the balls won't come out of the cups. I am using the balls that came with the cups but can't do the routine .Any suggestions? oblique
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On 2004-11-29 06:09, cataquet wrote:
The secret of using the pitch in this context is not the angles, but the misdirection. With balls, you do NOT a distortion of shape. A coin goes flat as it travels from one hand to the other, so it's hard to see. A ball stays round, so is much more visible.



Distortion of vision is not that important in the pitch. On his tape, Slyvester pitches a shoe and an eggplant or some other rather large fruit. The size of the end of the object being pitched is more important. However, because of the mechanics of the pitch, you would probably need an extra hand to do the necessary.
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Pete, coudln't find it... but I don't really like vids anyway. Plus, I don't have NTSC nor player...... maybe on a show?....
But isn't that the one he finishes introducing a fourth cup at the end?(like : mmmm... was he using 4 cups FROM the beginning????)

Concerning the move, havn't you noticed it just doesn't work with certain persons (ie jugglers)? Is it because of me or their special hability??

I guess I need to practice my misdirection in order to use it with C&B?
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I think a juggler would have less trouble with this than others.
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Trust me I know!
and they spot the move quicker too! almost instantly (used to work in a circus so many friends are clowns! Smile

mmm?... maybe some day I'll come up loading oranges while juggling with cups???
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I misunderstood your post. I thought you meant that jugglers would have trouble doing it.

You meant that they would spot it more easily.

If you do it correctly, your receiving hand should be blocking the view of the object. Don't try to do it surrounded until you really understand the visual situation.
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Bill, can you do the Sylvester pitch? The shape of the object matters as much as the blocking. For example, face the audience and do the Sylvester pitch with a coin. In case number one, pass the coin so that it travels parallel to the ground. In case number two, pass the coin so that the coin travels perpendicular to the ground. In the latter case, the light will hit the coin and everyone will see it. So, the shape and how it travels is important. With longish objects, the length is disguised by turning the body. The hand then blocks the end of the object. With objects with little shape distortion (eg, balls), you can use this approach, but you can instead use a shorter "pitch" distance.
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