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On 2007-04-10 03:06, magicnutuk wrote:
You do however need to find ordinary folk that don't run away every time you bring out a deck of cards. lol


You and I must know the same folk!!! Smile
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On 2007-04-10 01:44, Stepanov wrote:
Apologize if this is not interesting or somebody invent it before.

It is interesting and you don't need to apologize. But Double Lift from tabled deck was done by Tamariz. I also have a method and I believe I wrote it somewhere in Magic Caf$B!&(B

I think Double Lift from tabled deck is most effective when the context fit snugly with showing top cards of tabled piles. For example, you have an Ace on top of four piles after Double Dealing. You show four indifferent cards by Tabled Double Lift, then change those four cards to four Aces.
(Double Dealing : You deal cards into one pile and spectator call stop. You take dealt cards and deal the cards into four piles). Of course, you can perform the trick in 'Correcting a Mistake' framing.

Hideo Kato
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If you want a truly natural DL, try a push off double. I use the technique from Daryl Encyclopedia of Card Sleights (tons of doubles on two tapes) in the second deal section. Instead of taking one, take two. I also use a Daley strike, Pinky count get ready, and Snap Double (Jennings I think) from time to time. I think that you have to use the proper technique for the job. No one DL technique is perfect for all situations.

Someone mentioned to have the "turning" hand approach palm down and I agree, it is the natural way to turn a card over. This works very well with Daley's method (but you have to almost relearn it).

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On 2007-04-10 10:34, Hideo Kato wrote:
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On 2007-04-10 01:44, Stepanov wrote:
Apologize if this is not interesting or somebody invent it before.

It is interesting and you don't need to apologize. But Double Lift from tabled deck was done by Tamariz. I also have a method and I believe I wrote it somewhere in Magic Caf$B!&(B

I think Double Lift from tabled deck is most effective when the context fit snugly with showing top cards of tabled piles. For example, you have an Ace on top of four piles after Double Dealing. You show four indifferent cards by Tabled Double Lift, then change those four cards to four Aces.
(Double Dealing : You deal cards into one pile and spectator call stop. You take dealt cards and deal the cards into four piles). Of course, you can perform the trick in 'Correcting a Mistake' framing.

Hideo Kato


There is also a trick utilizing a tabled double at one point in Paul Cummins' FASDIU 2. It is called "Movin' On Up".

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On 2007-04-10 01:44, Stepanov wrote:
Apologize if this is not interesting or somebody invent it before.

It is interesting and you don't need to apologize. But Double Lift from tabled deck was done by Tamariz. I also have a method and I believe I wrote it somewhere in Magic Caf$B!&(B

I think Double Lift from tabled deck is most effective when the context fit snugly with showing top cards of tabled piles. For example, you have an Ace on top of four piles after Double Dealing. You show four indifferent cards by Tabled Double Lift, then change those four cards to four Aces.
(Double Dealing : You deal cards into one pile and spectator call stop. You take dealt cards and deal the cards into four piles). Of course, you can perform the trick in 'Correcting a Mistake' framing.

Hideo Kato


There is also a trick utilizing a tabled double at one point in Paul Cummins' FASDIU 2. It is called "Movin' On Up".

Cody


I meant a double from a tabled deck, not a tabled double.

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Is pushing off two cards as one as easy as it sounds? I manage an Elmsley Count okay but off of a complete deck seems really tricky. No pun intended!!!

I can get a pinky break, then flip/pivot the cards or (as stated before) I just peel off two cards with my thumb at the short edge nearest to me. As a left hander most methods need reversing so I tend to avoid left/right when I write...
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On 2007-04-10 10:34, Hideo Kato wrote:
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On 2007-04-10 01:44, Stepanov wrote:
Apologize if this is not interesting or somebody invent it before.

It is interesting and you don't need to apologize. But Double Lift from tabled deck was done by Tamariz. I also have a method and I believe I wrote it somewhere in Magic Caf$B!&(B

I think Double Lift from tabled deck is most effective when the context fit snugly with showing top cards of tabled piles. For example, you have an Ace on top of four piles after Double Dealing. You show four indifferent cards by Tabled Double Lift, then change those four cards to four Aces.
(Double Dealing : You deal cards into one pile and spectator call stop. You take dealt cards and deal the cards into four piles). Of course, you can perform the trick in 'Correcting a Mistake' framing.

Hideo Kato

Dear Mr. Hideo Kato.
Please, do not watch closely on my "apologizes". This is just form of gently talking on my City.

Looks like I not complete introduce my DL. I can not do it with all packs what on table. I can do it only With pack what I put on table. More careful explanation, if somebody interesting:

First. I hold a deck on left hand. I made count of two cards by left thumb. Next, by left forefinger I press on two top cards and shift them on 1 mm back, over inner end. Then I strongly size full deck by left hand, thumb on one side and four fingers on another. Two top cards protrude on inner end.

Second. I take deck by right hand, Thumb on one side, second, third and little fingers on another side and forefinger on top of deck, and move it on table by end looks to my body. Aftet this I release hand and began talking.

Third. When need take cadrs I still talking and look to eyes of my visitors. On this method eyes not need. I put second fingertip of right hand on top of deck and strongly press. After this I slide by thumb fingertip on inner end from bottom to top and easy rise up two top cards which clip between thumb and first finger. Next is easy.

I am so apologize. This DL calls Stepanov's Double Lift and it utilized by peoples who have problems with strong manipulations. But, of course, I do it too.

Dear Mr. Hideo Kato, do you suppose it will be difficult find place on Magic Café where you introduced your method? If somebody, you or Mr. Huan Tamariz, invent this before me, I will be happy credits to them on my lectures.

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On 2007-04-10 11:57, FreefallFool wrote:
Is pushing off two cards as one as easy as it sounds? I manage an Elmsley Count okay but off of a complete deck seems really tricky. No pun intended!!!

I can get a pinky break, then flip/pivot the cards or (as stated before) I just peel off two cards with my thumb at the short edge nearest to me. As a left hander most methods need reversing so I tend to avoid left/right when I write...


Definitely not easy. Takes some work but I think in the end it is the most natural way of doing a double turnover.

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On 2007-04-10 11:57, FreefallFool wrote:
Is pushing off two cards as one as easy as it sounds? I manage an Elmsley Count okay but off of a complete deck seems really tricky. No pun intended!!!

I can get a pinky break, then flip/pivot the cards or (as stated before) I just peel off two cards with my thumb at the short edge nearest to me. As a left hander most methods need reversing so I tend to avoid left/right when I write...


Definitely not easy. Takes some work but I think in the end it is the most natural way of doing a double turnover.

Cody


Thanks Cody, I thought it might just be me and was getting kind of disheartened. I agree that it would definitely be worth the time and trouble. Any advice gratefully received...

Regards,

Jason
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For me, the funny thing about making a single turnover look identical to a double turnover is this: I never honestly turn over just the top card of a full deck in order to show it and then turn it face down -- let alone do so and deal the card on the table.

My tricks don't happen to involve honestly showing the top card of the deck. In other words, the double lift/turnover doesn't really mimic an honest action that ever occurs in my tricks with full decks.

The truth is, I only turn over the top card on the deck to display it before changing it. It's always part of a card change. I've never sensed that spectators noticed this, probably because they don't see enough tricks to have something to compare it to.

I prefer using a simple strike second deal, such as for Matching the Aces. Or sometimes I turn over the top card, display it, and take it face up in the right hand prior to turning it down and doing a top change. Using a full deck, I avoid the double lift/turnover at all cost: It's too hard to do well consistently.

The only exceptions I can think of are packet tricks, not full-deck tricks, such as Daley's Last Trick or Jumping Gemini. In those sequences the performer is sometimes turning over a single card honestly and sometimes turning over a double or even a triple. In those cases, I do use double turnovers or triple turnovers, and I try to make all the turnovers look the same. I can buckle the lower cards in a packet to get a good grip on the top cards, so the get ready is under the packet, out of sight.
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On 2007-04-10 11:57, FreefallFool wrote:
Is pushing off two cards as one as easy as it sounds? I manage an Elmsley Count okay but off of a complete deck seems really tricky. No pun intended!!!

I can get a pinky break, then flip/pivot the cards or (as stated before) I just peel off two cards with my thumb at the short edge nearest to me. As a left hander most methods need reversing so I tend to avoid left/right when I write...


Definitely not easy. Takes some work but I think in the end it is the most natural way of doing a double turnover.

Cody


Thanks Cody, I thought it might just be me and was getting kind of disheartened. I agree that it would definitely be worth the time and trouble. Any advice gratefully received...

Regards,

Jason


PM me if you need any help. Also, "liquidsn" on this forum is awesome at the push off double. There is a video online of him doing it. If you'd like I could get the link.

Cody
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Hello Stepanov-san,

My method and your method of DL from tabled deck is very similar, but I use step at the front edge. I don't remember where in magic Café I refered, but I first published it in my book "Top Secrets" published in 1972.

Tamariz' method is different, does not use step.

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On 2007-04-10 16:53, Cody Fisher wrote:
PM me if you need any help. Also, "liquidsn" on this forum is awesome at the push off double. There is a video online of him doing it. If you'd like I could get the link.
Cody


Thanks Cody. If it's just a demo and you can post it here that's great. If you want to PM with it, no problem.

Cheers,

Jason
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Derek Dingles DL, LJ snap double, and a pinky count based DL of the hinge type.
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On 2007-04-09 18:41, Harry Lorayne wrote:
KRZ4KRDz mentioned the first double lift method I ever published. It was basically for beginners, but I still use it occasionally. The only thing is - I did NOT say to bevel the deck. That's not necessary.
Best - HARRY LORAYNE.
I know YOU didn't say that Mr. Lorayne. My statement: "Both techniques require a beveling of the deck to facilitate the move", is MY assessment. "I find that a beveling of the deck facilitates the move" is what I should have posted. Any hoo, I don't use that DL much these days either. I like/use the strike method (Daley). But, your DL from CUCM is nice when a Stuart Gordon Turnover follows it.
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I stick to only one method, the normal way which using first finger, the 'feeling' type. Smile

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On 2007-04-11 01:34, Hideo Kato wrote:
Hello Stepanov-san,

My method and your method of DL from tabled deck is very similar, but I use step at the front edge. I don't remember where in magic Café I refered, but I first published it in my book "Top Secrets" published in 1972.

Hideo Kato


Dear comrad Hideo Kato.

Thanks for information. My first inovations was published only on 1975 and of course you was first. Any case my DL I invent only on 90's. I am hardly interesting than on my country work author laws, and I will use information about your book and your name next time.

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I don't think my friend will mind me posting this since he has linked to it on other threads in the past. The third video down on the page is a video of him doing a double lift using a perfect push off. He does it beautifully, probably the best I've seen. (Just a note: Tyler Wilson I have seen do his double lifts using a push off into a Stuart Gordon turnover)

forcesunseen.blogspot.com

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Man, that is smooth!!!

Newer decks are better I guess, and maybe I should switch from the air-cushion finish - to what?

Thanks again Cody...
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Yes that's a sweet video, great DL.

To FreefallFool, air cushion finished cards are what most magicians use so shouldn't be a problem.
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