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Reis O'Brien
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Just wondering... when did you all stop believing in Santa and how did you find out?

And how many of you with kids play up the Santa thing with them?
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I woke up to the sound of fussing, and went into the living room to find...

my parents struggling to get a "big wheel" toy together.

I put the thing together for them, then went back to bed.

From child to elf in one night.
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What? so santa clause aint real?
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I think I was about 27 when the Tooth Fairy told me there was no Santa.
Actualy I am not sure if I ever believed in Santa. I do know that I played along with the story of Santa at the age of 4 (I didn't want to hurt my Parents feelings).
Fact is, I like the story of Santa and I still do believe in the "spirit" of the Santa legend.
While I don't like to tell lies to my Daughter, I will NEVER tell her that there is no Santa but will explain (when the time is right) that our lives are a little bit enriched by letting the story live on.
My Daughter (age 7) understands that Christmas is the celebration of the birth of Jesus and I try to explain to her that we give presents to our Loved ones and at least one present to a needy child because that is one way that we can try to pay back Jesus for what he has done for us (although I am agnostic). I also try to explain to my Daughter that the spirit of giving and goodwill is something we should try to carry through the entire year, not just at Christmas time.
With that said, yes Reis O'Brien, I still do believe in Santa.
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What the hell are talking about? No Santa Claus. The next thing you know you'll be telling me Uri Geller is a fake. Well I won't put up with this. It's a right wing conspiracy I tell you. Of course there's a Santa. Don't be ridiculous.

By the way Reis, I meant to tell you, nice haircut.

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Santa's not real??!!!! I guess you're gonna tell me that Elvis is dead too??
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Ok, I'm taking your name off the "Nice" list.



http://www.ncsanta.com
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What did I do????!!!! =(
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Well, a long time ago, I realized that Santa used the same wrapping paper as my parents. Also, the handwriting was suspiciously similar. Smile

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Reis O'Brien
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Tate... Where in NC are you? I was in Greensboro for 17 years. Just wondering.
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Around the age of 10 when I saw my parents were placing "Santa Gifts" and we got caught peeking. They were peeved and threatened to give our gifts away to the Salvation Army. We cried.....especially when we saw the Atari system with the Pac Man game....yes this was a little while ago. Anyhow, we apologized went to bed and at that point Santa just disappeared. The 3 of us grew up quick that night. I have an 8 1/2 month old son and not that he understands but he will get a Santa gift. I also wonder.....should I play the Santa bit with him? Just wondering as many parents these days do not do the Santa thing. Boy are times a changing!!!
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On 1897-09-21 14:21, Virginia O'Hanlon wrote:
I am 8 years old. Some of my little friends say there is no Santa Claus. Papa says, "If you see it in The Sun, it's so." Please tell me the truth, is there a Santa Claus?

Virginia O'Hanlon


No, Virginia, there is no Santa Claus. Virginia, your little friends are right. They have not succumbed to the mysticism of a mystical age. They refuse to believe anything which contradicts what they know, and they know that reindeer can't fly and that one man could not deliver toys to all the world's children in a lifetime, let alone one night.

When your friends think like this, it demonstrates that the human mind is grand, and that in this great universe of ours man is a giant, a genius. Only man, of all life we know, can conceptually grasp the magnificent world about him, the whole of truth and knowledge.

No, Virginia, there is no Santa Claus. Santa is a make-believe character, created for children like you in a spirit of love, generosity and devotion. He is a product of the uniquely human power of reason.

One of the ways we use this power is to have fun rearranging the things we know into things that cannot be. But the true beauty of this power is that it alone, and not faith, is the light which fills the world with toys, candy, books, houses, clothes, schools, medicine, love and all of the values that make life joyous and fulfilling. So if you renounce reason in favor of faith, you renounce all these wonderful things.

Believe in Santa Claus? You might as well believe in fairies! To do either you must give up reason, and with it your ability to distinguish what is real from what isn't.

This ability is your most important asset; your life and happiness depend on it. When you understand this you will know why you should shun anyone who tells you that the less evidence there is for something, the "more true" it is.

Sometimes confused people say that there might be fairies dancing on your lawn because you can't prove that fairies aren't there. What these people don't understand is that it's up to them to prove that fairies might be there, yet this is what they can never do. Proof requires evidence and there can be no evidence for the existence of the non-existent. This principle applies not only to claims that fairies might exist, but to any arbitrary claim, including the one that there is an unknowable, supernatural world.

You know you must look inside your baby's rattle to see what makes its noise; faith, hunch or "intuition" will not provide the answer. This same reliance on "sense and sight" will equip you better for life than the united physical strength of all the strongest men that ever lived.

Hold to this reliance through all your days. If you do you will be able to push aside the curtain of ignorance and enjoy the poetry, love, romance, music, science and all the other glories of this world. There is no other world, Virginia, nothing else real and abiding.

A real Santa Claus? Of course not! He lives in imagination only, and for as long as he does he can make glad the heart of childhood. For a thousand, nay, 10 times 10,000 years from now, he may survive as a wonderful fantasy, unless man, using his faculty of reason, conceives of a better one.
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I STILL believe in Santa! I always will!! Never rush to grow up!

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So...what's the meaning of life, Scott...that is, beyond its futile biological self-replication and its ultimate doom at the 'hands' of an ever-expanding (and ultimately unravelling) universe?

Cynical minds want to know.

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Do you give and ask for nothing in return?

Do you feel good making others happy?

If you answered yes to both then there is a bit of Santa in each of us!
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On 2004-12-10 20:37, Dr_Stephen_Midnight wrote:
So...what's the meaning of life, Scott...that is, beyond its futile biological self-replication and its ultimate doom at the 'hands' of an ever-expanding (and ultimately unravelling) universe?

Cynical minds want to know.

Steve


Whatever meaning you wish to give it. It is your life and no one elses so do with it what you will. Remember though it is the only life your going to get so don't waste it.
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Ahhh...Existentialism.

Sartre's very-empirical conclusions are less than inspiring. They smack more of a 'resigned acceptance' than an 'enlightening philosophy.'

There is no rational impetus for continued existence, or effort in any area in existence. We're spinning our labored wheels painfully.

"Life's a bad joke and then you die" hardly promotes productive activity. Logically, it discourages it.

From that perspective, all life is 'pre-wasted.' Anything you do doesn't matter...at all. Legacies are meaningless in a universe that will eventually spread into nothingness at the molecular level.

As for personal joy...pfft! Life's trials and pains all but envelop the brief snippets of joy. Add to that that you always know that the Great Void is rushing toward you. Why forestall the inevitable? Why promote the world's populace to continue to strive for doomed benchmarks, and create new generations to suffer the same futile fate?

It gives one pause.

Why, you may then ask, if that's my empirical perspective, I don't go ahead and 'off' myself?

I'm NOT an empiricist. Smile

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On 2004-12-11 10:28, Dr_Stephen_Midnight wrote:

"Life's a bad joke and then you die" hardly promotes productive activity. Logically, it discourages it.



It's a bad joke only if you make it so. For me it's been a pretty good joke so far. I don't need to waste my time believing in a big invisible guy in the sky or some sort of ill conceived after life (why no before life?)to give meaning or enrich my existence while I'm here.
Life is simply what it is. Nothing more.
Perhaps Santa will bring me a big dose of irrational belief for Xmas. But I hope not as I’ve no place to put it.
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But it's still a joke.

What you choose to believe in or not believe in, or what 'spin' you choose to place on what makes life "worth living" is, from a purely empirical perspective, still absolutely pointless and self-deluding.

We have no reason to be here, and no reason to do anything beyond the rigors of our dubious and brief survival, and to possibly create offspring to endure the same futile cycle.

In the meantime we engage in non-stop acts of mutual victimization for whatever hackneyed reasons we can concoct, and make the rigors of our brief survival infinitely more complicated and difficult in the name of 'progress.'

Steve
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On 2004-12-11 15:49, Dr_Stephen_Midnight wrote:
But it's still a joke.

What you choose to believe in or not believe in, or what 'spin' you choose to place on what makes life "worth living" is, from a purely empirical perspective, still absolutely pointless and self-deluding.

We have no reason to be here, and no reason to do anything beyond the rigors of our dubious and brief survival, and to possibly create offspring to endure the same futile cycle.

In the meantime we engage in non-stop acts of mutual victimization for whatever hackneyed reasons we can concoct, and make the rigors of our brief survival infinitely more complicated and difficult in the name of 'progress.'

Steve




Wow, this is going to be the thoughtful and uplifting message I'm putting in my Xmas cards this year.
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