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Martin Reinertz
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Hey there,
I'm currently thinking about purchasing David Mann's "Dancing Cane 101" DVD. However, the only dancing cane I own is the Fantasio Vanishing Cane in combination with Peter Loughran's Ultimate Cane gimmick.

I would thus like to know whether or not the moves taught on the DVD can be done with the Ultimate Cane or whether I should also get a "real" dancing cane with the dvd. If I remember correctly (I think I've read this somewhere on the Café), the Ultimate Cane does not allow for all dancing cane moves possible.

Any comments would be greatly appreciated... thanks!
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Martin,
I think you should take a look at the DVD before purchasing another Dancing Cane. I personally feel that my Dancing Cane works best as it has it's own thread system, and that is something that no other cane on the market has.
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Martin, you should be fine with the Ultimate cane. You can do all moves with it when it is not flaming. Once flaming you are limited to what moves you can do for obvious reasons. However, I have not seen the DVD you are talking about so I cannot confirm the moves that are taught on that video.
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Thanks guys. I've decided to get David's dancing cane anyway, though I'm pretty excited about trying out the same moves with the Ultimate cane.

David,
I had to place the order with East Coast Magic. For some reason Precision Magic failed to respond to my emails about the shipping costs to Germany, although I emailed them twice. There is definetely room for improvement here (if I am not mistaken, you're the owner of Precision Magic?)
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Martin,
I emailed the cost to you several times, but our friends at East Coast Magic will take good care of you. Sorry, we couldn't communicate.

Peter,
If you or anyone would like to see a demo of the Dancing Cane 101 DVD go to: http://www.store.yahoo.com/magicmusicand......aca.html
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David,
Thanks for your reply. My ISP's spam filter at times seems to be a little, well, aggressive. I just once again checked my inbox and I didn't receive a single email from you. Sorry about the misunderstanding. I'm really looking forward to receiving the package.

Martin
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Martin,
I hope you recieved your DVD. And I truely hope you take something away from it!
Let us all know what you think!
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David,
In fact, I have not received the DVD as of yet. The delay might be due to quite a lot of people sending packages around Christmas. I guess I'll just have to wait another week or two.

I'll post a review in the Café once both the DVD and the cane have made it here. It's kind of sad one can only pruchase your products in the US. Have you ever looked into working with a magic retailer in Europe?

Martin
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Martin;

I've received David Mann's DVD, and it is quite good! Below is my review of it (although I am in no way qualified as a critic.)

David Mann's "Dancing Cane 101" DVD has great production aspects. Although, during the performance part of its content, most of the camera shots are three-quater close-ups (and a few are extreme close-ups, showing just his head and neck.)There are times where you can actually see the gimmick, but this is due to the camera shooting close-ups of David Mann's performance, and wouldn't have been an issue had the camera been filming at the actual distance audience members would be seated. In having the camera shoot extreme close-ups, really is the only thing that takes away a little of the enjoyment about watching his Dancing Cane routine. During these close-up shots, you're not able to see the entire length of the cane, or his body, so on video (camera), the amazement of the illusion is lessened quite a bit. Keep in mind, the camera focus is extremely clear, which makes this a nice DVD to watch and learn from.

The voice-over narration is a good idea, as so are all of the slow-motion shots. Most of the "moves" David Mann teaches are good ones for people just learning the dancing cane. There are also some moves that are for more intermediate and advanced performers. He is quite thorough, as he goes into good detail teaching the different grips (hook-ups). Although I am not an expert on the Dancing Cane, I have been performing my routine for nearly 15 years. This was the very first time I've seen the "T-Grip" and its capabilities. I was quite pleased to learn this. You should glean great information and ideas from his DVD.

I would say that this is really, a great DVD teaching the Dancing Cane. David Mann's moves and actions flow very smoothly, and his cane routine is very well designed and executed. His "Hat Removal" move is quite good, and truly fits his performance style. I enjoyed this part of the routine especially, because its almost as if he breaks his 'relationship' or magical connection with the cane in order to dust off and re-adjust his hat, while the cane simply dances and moves out in front of him.

During the History section of the DVD, there is much mention of Peter Pit. This was especially exciting for me to watch, as it was when I was a teen-ager that I first saw Peter Pit perform his Dancing Cane on a television special. Seeing Peter Pit's performance is the reason I began learning the Dancing Cane. I applaud David Mann for adding this to the DVD.

Overall, David Mann's DVD gets a 9 1/2 out of 10. I would give it a ten rating, if the entire performance was filmed from the appropriate distance. This small issue is negated because of the high production aspects, and the thorough job David Mann does in teaching the moves, as well as the other very important aspects of performing the Dancing Cane (stage lighting, background and scenery, etc...)

Precision Magic's design of the Dancing Cane itself has some great aspects to consider. First, it is 35" in length and is a one-piece design. It is made from light-weight aluminum, and its top ferrel is of a nice, asthetically pleasing design. The design of its gimmick connection is one of the main reasons why you might want to seriously consider performing with this cane. I myself, perform with a one-piece cane (of my own design and fabrication), and have found that one-piece cane's simply perform better (my own opinion, based on many of the other canes I've used over the years.)

I highly recommend David Mann's Dancing Cane 101 DVD!


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I wholeheartedly agree with Troy's review. I just received my DVD and couldn't take my eyes off of it. The routine itself is spectacular, but the way the moves are taught in slow motion is extremely effective. The really nice thing about the DVD is that you are simply taught the various moves and not the routine itself. From there, it's up to you whether you want to adopt Mr. Mann's routine or develop one of your own.

I should mention that I had ordered the combo set from East Coast Magic. I was a little concerned when only the DVD arrived and not the cane. I called, but by mistake I called Mr. Mann directly instead of East Coast. In my conversation with Mr. Mann he came across as a very sincere individual with a keen interest in how his product was being received by the magic community. We chatted at length about the DVD and the cane and I was left with a feeling of confidence that I had never before had after buying a magic product.

I still haven't received the cane yet, but East Coast Magic has confirmed that it was shipped separately due to the difference in size between the two products. Needless to say, I can't wait!!
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I just want to say, that this performance/routine re the Dancing Cane is the very best I ever saw and I've seen quite a few, including Peter Pits, who started to make that thingy famous. And that goes at least over 45 years back. Saw it live at a convention/competition done by him, when he won 1st prize. Can't remember exactly when it was, might even go back to 1958 or so.
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What am I supposed to say to all these reviews. I hope everyone who recives Dancing Cane 101 will be as satisfied as all of you! Again, THANK YOU! THANK YOU! THANK YOU!
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David,

I was curious how long it took you to develop and perfect the routine you perform on the DVD, and how long do you think it would take a mere mortal to get close to that point?

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Kent,
I worked on that routine for about 3 Months, but I have been developing moves since around 1970 or so. I have more moves, that will be in the New Dancing Cane DVD 201. Dancing Cane 201 is the second portion of my Dancing Cane/Zombie Act.

I would think that most Magicians will be able to add new moves to their routines rather quickly because they are taught clearly, and concisely. I guess, it all comes down to how determined you are to include these new moves into your current routine.

Dave
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David,

Add me to your pre-order list for the Dancing Cand 201 DVD! Will it have some Zombie moves in there as well?

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No Zombie moves on that DVD! I did heard a rumor though, that I may be doing a DVD on the Zombie with a certain someone from Las Vegas. It is said that he may be working with one of my new prototypes Zombie Balls. I also heard, this New Zombie represents the only significant change to ever come to the Zombie, since it was created. It is said there is no hole in the ball and the gaff is only 5" Long. And I heard it said that with this new method the ball can be manipulated in such ways that could only be imagined. Preposterous isn't it! Hmm..I would Hate to see a nasty rumor like that take hold!

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Dave,

I saw a clip of "Dancing Cane 101" DVD and I would love to buy it from you but I saw on your web that you could not accept foreign customer, don't you?

Could you reference me, where I could buy the DVD and the precision dancing cane beside your store and they accept foreign customer.

I have checked with East Cost Magic but unfortunately, my country (Indonesia) is not listed on their list.

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I just got the precision cane and the dvd yesturday. It's unfreaking beleivable. I have found a few problems though.

On the cane, whenever I'm practicing I notice that the thread on the cane twists into itself making it harder to perform it. Have you also experienced this? Is there any way to prevent this or to fix it should this occur?

Also, spinning the cane around the right arm (sort of around the bisep)wasn't explained. Am I missing something (like combining moves from the dvd to do this) or was it simply not something you chose to hold on for yourself?
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Dave,
Yes, your right about the twisting of the gimmick. By the way, all cane gimmicks twist up. However, it is usually caused by doing a particular move over and over and over again. How would you fix that? I find that in development of your routine that you must consider the twisting of the gimmick.

And yes, there is a reason that the over the shoulder move wasn't taught. It was for you to discover and figure out on your own.

I truely hope you enjoy the DVD and the Cane.
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In the meantime I have received both the DVD and the Dancing Cane itself. In the past few days I basically haven't done anything else besides practice, practice, practice, practice, etc. It's great fun (it really ROCKS). And I'm constantly improving Smile. Here's my review:


The DVD
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The DVD is definitely a great learning source for anyone interested in the dancing cane - no matter if novice, amateur or pro. The moves are very well taught, everything is explained in a clear & straightforward fashion and the slow-mo bits make it extremely easy to follow the instructions and work along as you're watching. In addition, the fact that the entire routine is also on the dvd makes it possible to observe the moves in combination (and not as isolated effects.

How does the DVD compare to others, e.g. the Jeff McBride DVD and the Bracco videos on the dancing cane? Well, there's a simple answer: David Mann's dvd goes beyond any other teaching material on the dancing cane I have ever seen. It gets down to the essentials of how to handle the cane and the different grips one needs to control it in no time. There is no "Practice this grip until you drop dead"-section. You can actually start building your own routine once you've watched the first 2-3 sections on the dvd. The only thing that I thought was missing is a section on HOW to move from one grip to another (which is rather difficult if you'd like to do it in a flawless fahsion). But hey, there's so much GREAT, GREAT, GREAT material on the DVD everyone calling a dancing cane their own should definitely get it.

In addition, watching David Mann perform his routine is a real pleasure just by itself and imho already worth the price of the dvd Smile



The cane
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The actual cane is very well made (VERY durable) and perfectly balanced. I especially like its weight. The fact that the cane is a bit heavier than most other canes actually makes it easier to perform with it. The idea of placing a little weight (to which the thread has to be attached) inside the cane so that it automatically retracts the thread when the cane is not in use, is a very clever one. While Losander's cane uses the same mechanism, his "weights" (steel nuts) are not wrapped in a small piece of cloth and so - from time to time - audibly bang against the inside of the cane. David Mann thus has managed to eliminate this problem as well.

An often heard argument against a heavier cane is that one cannot use a very thin kind of thread to make it float. While this argument holds for close-up versions of the dancing cane (e.g. Losander's Floating Wand), people should not forget that the standard dancing cane is a stage trick! If you want, you can use relatively thin fishing line and color it black with a Sharpie... but the actual length of thread that comes with the cane (probably some kind of upholstery thread) works well too - despite its thickness.

In other words: If you are looking for a good, well-priced, noble-looking dancing cane, get this one!
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