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Where is the differences from Vernon's routine to the Carlyle routine. I read a variation of Vernon'S routine the first time in a book from Tamariz. It is a very strong, clear, spectator involvement and not so often to see routine. Thanks for remind me on this classic, Werner!
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Thing is, I've seen it performed in private by a very competent close-up worker and therefor know how strong it is when handled well, and I still have this performance on video!

Just reading the effect might often not give the impression how strong an effect can be.

Re the diff. between DVs and FCs, I hardly think there is any, apart from the diff. in handling, which still can be varied.
IIRC it also was a favourite of Michael Skinner.

The effect in short as I prefer it.

Copper and Silvercoin inside hanky, spec holds hankycorners gathered together, chooses FREELY verbally one coin which gets extracted.

Now whilst spec still holds hanky (absolutely no hanky-panky occured, spec still holds hanky without any release) the extracted coin changes place with the one inside, menaing the one extracted is now inside, the earlier that was inside is now outside.
Spec opens hanky to comfirm that the earlier outsidecoin is inside.

Now, f.ex. coppercoin is placed inside hanky, spec again holds corners gathered, as well as the inside coin through the hanky, menaing spec holds hanky in his left and right hand parallel to floor.

Performer vanishes the other outside silver-coin, spec releases the end where he held the inside coin through hanky, still holding the gathered corneres in the other hand and a click is heared and the vanished coin appears inside the hanky clicking on the alredy inside coin.
Spec himself opens hanky and takes both coins out.
During all the handling, the spec always did hold the handky in his own hand(s).

Now, that is spec involvment and a very great effect Smile
The se-through-silk thing -as good as it looks- is more for magicians, the above will give the reaction one loves Smile
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I like CS Extraction but have not added it.
Perhaps I'll do that next and compare and contrast
responses.

I wonder if ..... you could do a CS exchange using the
see-thru silk. Hmm..... that would be pretty cool.
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Would be hard to do a 'complete' Expansion of texture routine, incl. the final appearance of the second coin inside the hanky using a see-through silk, even when it has a dark colour and is tightly woven.

That's of course because of that kind of silk is not only 'se through' but also 'light' in weight., so the 2d coin would make too large a downward bulk.

Anyway, I just compared DVs and FCs handling..the effect is the same.
(Also the FC description by Roger Pierre is incredible confusingly done, one can read between the lines and has to 'guess' a bit.. Smile )

There are other ways of handling it, lots of others, f.ex. I would prefere to use Harvey Rosentals click-pass, for letting -in the first fase- drop the 'two' coins in the silk. I think Mike Skinner did use it too.
(That clickpass is also described in J.C. Wagners book.)

Neither DV nor FC did use a such in their handling, but I think it fits finely and smoothly..
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I use the Rubinstein click pass for the 2nd coin.
Otherwise, it's about the same as the Ammar version
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Horace Bennett published 'Sanforized', a version of Michael Ammar's routine in "MAGIC AFOOT" [1989].

"To really appreciate Ammar's routine you must be up really close, as he has some moves where the coins just seem to melt through the silk. I, however, wanted a routine that could be seen well from a bit of a distance. The following routine, 'Sanforized', is the first routine that I developed with that in mind".

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On 2004-12-22 14:37, Werner G. Seitz wrote:
Daryl Martinez gave the advice to MA -when MA started to do it-, just to do it one time only and as a C/S extraction instead.
As it stands, it is too repetitive for audiences, it is very good and very visual, but mostly for magicians, and it was in MAs prize winning FISM act..,but again, that's for magicians..
Francis Carlyles version using a non-see-through silk varies, gives more spec involvement and has a surprise ending.


Hi Werner,

I agree the handling is quite repetitive but its covered by Ammar in his patter and contact with the spectators - they never seem to realise it. However, I would choose to make variations in the handling. Can you explain why you find the see through silk version more for magicians than for laymen - to me it's 3 penetrations without explanation and mindbaffling to a layman as well. I agree there could be more in the spectators hands parts - which most likely will require a non-see-through silk.

Anyway I visited Francis Carlyle's homepage but couldn't find his version - can you direct me to the source of this?

I'll go home and study Vernon's version from the "Vernon book of magic" to see if that'll add somethings to my routine.
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