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You can not be serious! There is a time and place for everything, and that is not the time or the place to do a card trick, not unless you have a death wish. The women is these queues turn into lynch mobs if the check out girl is slow, what they would do to you I dread to think.

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Of course you'd be an idiot to hold a line of people up ... I don't think anyone would argue with that.... you just wouldnt do it in that situation ... nor would you do it for a grouchy cashier ... nor would you do it if didn't fit your personality ... etc etc etc

I say if your comfortable with the situation and it feels right to you then go for it.

One thing is probable ... if you do get burned you probably wont be trying it again .. Smile
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If ID can't be used, you can use Brain Wave deck with same color backs.

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WOW. What a bunch of naysayers. Give a guy some credit. I did state that this would take CAREFUL planning and setup. As for holding up checkout lines, if the line is busy, common sense would say pass this up and go back during a less busy time. I'm sick of catching a bunch of sh** about this idea. As for comparing me to David Blaine, I like the guy, but I don't nor will I ever try to be like him. I have my own performing style, and as was mentioned above, I am not some new beginner trying to impress someone with a quick trick. The setup and planning alone for this routine is much too advanced for a beginner. Honestly, the people I am catching the most hell from here are the ones who are jealous that they didn't think of it first. I don't see the harm in performing for a total stranger. If the setup is complete and the time and atmosphere is right, then and only then would I attempt this. If I sense the time is WAY wrong, like the line being too long, grumpy cashier and or waiting customers, then of course I would not perform the effect.

I am getting the impression that some of you people who are putting this idea down have an "I am much better than you" persona and "all ideas are dumb except mine" mentality. For those of you who have supported this idea, I thank you. You know who you are. Isn't our art about entertaining people and bringing a sense of wonder and amazement to those around us? Give a guy some credit and don't make judgements until you understand the complete facts. I've ranted long enough for now, but I am tired of getting my feathers ruffled here when I have had such a good time thus far. It just seems like everyone is turning on me now and I don't appriciate it. Merry Christmas, Happy Hannukah, Kwanza, New Year........oh heck.......Happy Holidays to all!

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Phil:

I once heard Jeff McBride say that if your are going to be a magician, you should be one 24/7. He then demonstrated a trick with a silk and a thumbtip that he did for the pizza delivery person. I see no difference with your idea. If there is no line and the checkout person is just waiting for customers, it could be really appreciated.
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I think the idea's great!

but,

I wouldn't do it to the cashier. I'd have somee people think of a card and write it down, then I'd send them to buy the cards, switch it for a brainwave pack, and there you go. SHAZAM!

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Clever. Not a bad idea at all. I was actually considering this method too. Smile
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Phil, I never said I was better than you or anything like that. its just such a silly idea, why go through so much preperation JUST to present the invisible deck? for one single performance? Best case scenario, your not going to impress anyone but the cashier, and then what? the only thing this presentation does is stop the spectator from asking to inspect the deck. but if you must go through with this and theres no stopping you, just open the deck, give it a quick false shuffle, and boom you have a new deck order stack ready for you to do whatever youd like.
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Sanju, I think maybe you should remember that he could hand out his business card to anyone who sees this effect. Once the card is produced from the deck do a snap change into your business card. Hand the business card to the cashier or whomever you are performing the effect for and thank them and go about your business.

Now, when that person needs an entertainer or they have a friend who does, whatever, Phil will be the first person they think of.

Kudos on the creativity Phil.

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Well, guess I'll wade into this one... First, I think your idea is cool. Go for it. Second, why do it at all???? - BECAUSE it will work FOR you.

My wife and I go into the little McDonalds located in our `Wally World'. We will be sitting at our table and I will do a few `little `tricks' for her while we are enjoying a coke (or ....). People will get to watching and then I move around in my chair to make contacts. I pickup jobs AND have even been sent a free ice cream cone by the workers...

As for doing your `trick' in the checkout line -- I do mine while standing in line at the bank.. Gets a neat reaction and the cashiers ALL enjoy it.. I now do all the bank parties...

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On 2004-12-21 22:55, sanju wrote:
Phil, I never said I was better than you or anything like that. its just such a silly idea, why go through so much preperation JUST to present the invisible deck? for one single performance?



Sanju,

No offence buddy but I suggest you read up on Max Malini and how long he took to set up and how long he WAITED for the right time JUST to reveal a selected card. In his spectator's eyes, he could do anything and he went places because of that. Worth it? Depends on where you want to go.

Phil,

Your idea is GOOD. But the placement could be better.

How about this? You plan a meeting with a potential client at a Café/Restaurant opposite a shopping mart. You set up before the meeting and when he asks you to show him something, hand him a 5 dollar bill and instruct him to walk across the street into the shopping mart...

This way, you impress someone who could potentially put extra dough in your pockets! Plus, this may only be the one trick you need to do to impress him/her, unless of course he/she is a magic junkie!

Don't take what some members say too harshly, if they cannot see the beauty in your idea, it's their loss. Most of the time our ideas will start out small and will probably look very dumb, and is extremely laughable to those who don't share your vision.

But it takes time, experimentation and patience for your idea to grow and become a masterpiece. And when that happens, I doubt anyone will be laughing.
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Phil,

Like you said many, many times, you would use careful planning. I think it's a fine idea. Of course, everyone should understand that you probably wouldn't do this one during Christmas rush when the lanes are overloaded. It's obvious you would wait until there are no other customers.

Doc Pepper,
I also have performed at the bank, with all 10 security cameras on me. It's creepy, but a cool feeling to know that they still can't catch the secret. And of course, I was the only customer in there, so there was no other customers to annoy by taking up their time.

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For that special occasion: Buy a deck. Take it home, and open it up carefully at the bottom. Replace the deck with a gaffed, set-up, or marked deck, and reseal the cellophane. Mark the case somehow so you can recognize it later. Go back to the store and replace the deck on the rack where it won't get sold right away. Take your friend or client into the store, purchase the deck again, and perform a miracle. It may have been Malini (can't remember) who did this at a drug store just to fool his fellow magician friends. I'm sure someone knows the real story.

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Ah... from a hypothesizing newbie who probably just read his first OLD book on magic to a discussion of things worth doing. Good.

Let's say you have learned how to orchestrate an "impromptu miracle" and are now looking at method/effect trade offs.

Step one is decide on the people, the place and what theatrical moment you desire.

What specifically would it mean to THEM if you were able to magically reverse a named card in a new sealed deck? The theatrical considerations are far more important than the mechanics.
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You show them a miracle. You can do miracles. You then mildly pick up your bag of groceries and walk home. It doesn't add up.

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[quote]On 2005-09-29 07:16, Logan wrote:
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On 2004-12-21 22:55, sanju wrote:
Phil, I never said I was better than you or anything like that. its just such a silly idea, why go through so much preperation JUST to present the invisible deck? for one single performance?



Dude, if the cashier is a hottie... DO IT. One trick will save you countless hours of the 'ol wine and dine routine. Strictly from a utlitarian standpoint this makes it makes a lot of sense. Cheers.
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Man, I used to think think way too. The world is my stage. Then I started doing magic for a living. Private parties and working restaurants 5-6 nights a week. After all this, I learn to appreciate the appropriatness of when to perform magic.

To the original poster, do you perform a lot? Are you lacking palces to perform? I mean this seriously and I'd be surprised to hear that you do. It is not a put down in a anyway. I am trying to make a point.

It is not a bad idea for a TV show David Blaine or Chris Angel style. That is the only way I could see making this worth the effort for the amount of work you are going to do for this one trick that no one will see where the conditions have to be just right.

I mean, do you wait for the line to dwindle down and "wait two weeks if you have to" for the perfect oppertunity? That would look too suspicious to secruity. What is it that you hope to get out of it? Just a chance to perform? I ask these questions in case you have not asked yourself these question. My favorite line in the movie Jurasic Park is when Jeff Goldblum says in response to the making of dinosaurs: "You spent so much time trying to figure out HOW to make them that you never stopped to ask yourself if you SHOULD".

This is the ultimate test. What if you were in line watching a guy do the same thing. What would you think of him? Is he brilliant or just holding up the line? How would that look? Or are you mad that he beat you to it first?

Not a bad way of thinking, just not practical. I like Logan's idea on this principle. That is practical.

Miguel Rangel

PS. Sell this idea to David Blaine or Chris Angel. Spending 2 dollars on a deck of cards aint bad when millions of people are watching.
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Man...It's been ages since I posted this. I almost forgot about it. Thanks to all who have supported the idea. If you are curious, I have performed this since posting...in fact, I have done it twice with AMAZING reactions. The first time was during a midnight stop at Wal-Mart, there were no other customers in line, when I payed for the cards, I went into the routine before leaving. The cashier FREAKED out. She just kept mumbling that there is no possible way. I thanked her for her time and bid her a good night. She thanked me for brigtening up her night as she was having a rough night. It's those moments that I live for. I appriciate all the ideas that you all have given me. I may do this again in the near future...when the time is right. Elmago, to answer your question, no, I don't perform all the time. I am a hobbyist. I have a full time regular job that keeps me quite busy, but it also gives me time to think up routines like these and others that I have not yet posted and kept to myself. Thanks to everyone who gave me pointers and even those who didn't. Needless to say, I have pulled it off and security didn't care (I cleared it first) and those who witnessed it were completely dumbfounded. Those are the moments I live for when I do get the chance to perform, and I wouldn't trade them for anything.

:cheers:

Phil
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If you get a job at a restaurant you will get the moments you live for more often.

By the way, the name of the thread was "A New Idea".

I've seen this before.
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On 2005-09-29 23:59, Alex Linian wrote:
If you get a job at a restaurant you will get the moments you live for more often.




I had a job in a restaurant, but had to give it up in order to take my new full time job as a TV engineer. I am making more money now than I was in the restaurant, but I look to go back to it part-time on the weekends. I know what you mean. The children really love it.

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On 2005-09-30 00:00, Alex Linian wrote:
By the way, the name of the thread was "A New Idea".

I've seen this before.


Just because you have seen it before does not mean that it is not new to others. I have not seen it or even heard of it being performed before, so I acted on a whim... and I am glad I did. It was well worth the setup and permission, but not worthy of everyday performance.
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