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GarySumpter
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Hi all.

I am about to build a floating table, just for fun really. I was wondering whether any of you guys have tried it?

I have read many times that its not worth doing, go spend your money on a Losander model. There's no way I'm spending THAT much money on something that looks like a cardboard bird table.

I am going to build the table how I would want my table to look.

It would be good to talk to any of you that have done it or are planning to do it.

I'm looking at the pros and cons of balsa wood and polystyrene right now.

Any comments?

Thanks in advance.

Gary
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Abbott's has one that has a very easy gimmick. But your hand has to be on the table. It is not one that you hold the corners of the table cloth. But hey why don't you create your own method since it looks like there is stealing involved if you try and create some of recent marketed methods. Which I do agree that is stealing. Be creative. There are other ways.

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So have none of you actually built one?

I am looking to build mine out of polystyrene (at least the initial prototype!). The table will have a standare z****e setup along with a 'hands on top' flotation.

I'd appreciate any tips regarding the attachment of the z****e, I have a few ideas but any other suggestions would be great. Obviously it need to go on and off easily, but be secure enough to support the table.

Any comments?

Thanks again!

Gary
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I have never built one but only messed with one.

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Get Richard Robinson's booklet on The Z******* Gimmick. It's got most of what could be considered public domain information on it.

Sounds like a fun project.

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A very large floating haunted table is for sale on http://www.magicauction.com under "illusions built outside the USA". It's twice the size of my Losander's and looks like a real table, it's cheap too. Built by a UK prop shop!

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Gary,
Luna Shemada here. Losander is my husband and CREATOR of this effect. Sure there have been floating tables around in the past like the hand on top method and other various mechanical moving tables, he's not claiming to be the inventor of the floating table BUT there has never been a table that floats like Losander's. This is his sole invention. The movements and range and abilities and method. A lot of hard work and years of developement and process and protypes went into this masterpeice. You don't think he's tried to build it out of every available material out there? We still build proto types and continue to try and find ways to improve the Table, we also do custom pieces as well. Why you would call it a cheap cardboard bird table is beyond me UNLESS you actually saw a bad ripp off! Because anyone that has seen our Tables and owns one knows it's not only beautiful, it's a work of Art!!! It is. I know they are expensive but they are worth it! We will not put out cheap products or lower our standards just to cater to yahoos who don't even have the decency to respect the ethics of this profession we love so much. Oh and by the way, if you buy one, you not only get an awesome prop, you are also paying for the RIGHTS to perform it! That is already worth more than the prop itself. Come up with your own idea and build it, build it with the hand on top method, find another way. We can't stop you. Be creative, that's fine. Just be respectful to those that have the goodness to share something special, like this effect with the rest of the magic world. Be grateful for his inspiration. He is such a kind and special person, a real Magician ! It's not just about the money you know..... think about it.


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Luna,

That is a very eloquent statement and I hope it will be heeded. The gentleman in question should at the least buy a Losander table and then if he needs a special version built either hire your company or another to fashion one for him.

Again, most eloquently stated.


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I agree that the Losander Floating Table is a work of art. I doubt very many could match the quality. I still don't see the problem with building one for your own use as long as you use published methods. If someone wants to build a table and use a gimmick like the one published by Tommy Wonder, then they should have every right to do so as long as it is not being sold. It is my understanding that if a method is published, then you have the right to use it. Is this right?
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Hi All,

I am not out to disrespect and copy anothers work, merely to create a version of the effect that will work for me, just as a fun project, not for commercial reasons.

Best

Gary
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We have no problem with you building a table of your own via a published method or an invention of your own for your own personal use. We do have a problem with people who build our Tables with the exact same gimmick (which they had to have seen from one of ours) The exact same presentation and moves and then sell them commercially!!! That is not only unethical but taking money from our pockets. Not Nice!
By the way, the Tommy Wonder gimmick in his book is not what we use. Yes anything published is public domain.
I just want to conclude by saying that if you are inspired by an effect or a performer and it sparks your own desire to be creative,GREAT! I support that. I understand. That is one of the main reasons we sell what we sell. Not only to make money but to advance magic. One great idea can spark another and so forth. Just don't forget to be grateful for your inspiration, give credit where credit is due and when you have achieved something great, share it with others. It's good for you in the long run. A true master understands this process.

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Hi Luna,

No problem. The Losander tables do not work for me for many reasons, this is my reasoning for building my own with features that I need.

I have never, and would never copy / steal anothers creation. As a creator myself, I appreciate the VERY hard work that goes into the creation, development and marketing of our effects.

Gary
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Losander HAS published his Zombie gimmick. It can be found on the DVD "The Art of Levitation 1 & 2". The main shape, the exact shape of the business end, and handling are all explained. Dirk has also explained the gimmick at lectures. If someone wanted to use that published method for other uses besides the floating bubble Dirk describes, I don't see what is keeping them from doing so. If they combined it with the Wonder method they could have something more. Both are improvements to the Joe Karson and no one has accused either of stealing from Karson.

The methods are out there and published. It is up to us to take it to the next level.
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Hi Luna,

I want to say your husband's effect is amazing. Very well built from seeing it from the audience. The price alone is a good price. It is there for the ones who are serious and the ones who are going to perform a masterpiece.

The ones that want to build a floating table are more then welcome to, but to create something that isn't public domain is unethical and shouldn't be done...

But I find that the ones that love to build things create some new methods that just weren't thought of and that is excellent. Go for it.

Well that is just me...

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So I'm confused, Luna.

What if we built a table using a zombie gimmick for PERSONAL USE and didn't sell it.

Would that be OK?
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It shouldn't be the exact replica of his gimmick.

Try something new....there are so many other ways of doing one thing...be creative...you never know you might find a way of doing something better and even have some added stuff to it...who knows.

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I have built one. I liked it but too easy to figure out and most people get the trick already.
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I created a two man floating table, using ANY card table. It was a replica of the one I used when I was in the Francisco Midnight Spook shows. The gimmicks are available from http://www.stevensmagic.com

Different than Losander's as table can be borrowed and works into a good comedy bit with two spectators sitting at table.

(Hi Luna, say high to your man for me)!
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Gary, I'm not sure which I would use to build this with. Balsa makes perfect sense...remote controlled airplanes are built from balsa and seem to fly great (hehe). I've never messed with the other mentioned material (descriptions anyone?). Personally, I don't think I will be building a floating table anytime soon. Mainly because, and no offense to anyone, it looks exactly what it is...if you know what I mean...same reason I don't do a zombie. If I ever were inclined to 'float a ball' I wouldn't use the zombie method. I will tell you though, (biased opinion may follow) as a fan of Copperfield's, I think his floating table all around presentation is the best I've seen...and more unbelieveable, especially when he whips off the table cloth. Now that table didn't look like it should float at all but seemed to defy all odds when touched by 6 spectators. Plus, it floated all around the stage without cover. If I were to do a floating table effect, it would be with this method. Anyways, I've rambled on too long...Thanks for all of your innovations, creativity, insight and opinions!!!
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