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Kjellstrom
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I found this effect: 'Coins through Silk' on Michaels web:

http://store.yahoo.com/ammarmagic/cointhrougsi.html

Is it easy to learn? How strong is the routine?

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On 2004-12-23 10:49, Kjellstrom wrote:
I found this effect: 'Coins through Silk' on Michael's web:

http://store.yahoo.com/ammarmagic/cointhrougsi.html

Is it easy to learn? How strong is the routine?

Mats
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Yes, it isn't tough..wonder you haven't seen it before?

I mean it is in Michael videos from Hans Zahn/Videonics, now sold by L&L..
See also the following thread re this:
http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......6&24
If you want the exact Videonics release no. just let me know, I've it stored..

Here it is: Videonics release 63, International Magic session/Ammar/Ouellet contains the complete routine incl. explanations..just few simple sleights..
Joachim s. has done it finely way back in the 1980's, I've it on tape a couple of times.. Smile
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In answer to your question Mats,

Yes, the effect of solid coins passing through sheer silk is strong.

It can register in about the same way as the old dental dam trick.

-Jon
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On 2004-12-23 11:03, Jonathan Townsend wrote:
It can register in about the same way as the old dental dam trick.
-Jon
Is that good or bad ? Smile
I mean, I too know the old dental dam trick Smile
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It's also explained on Ammar's video of his lecture at the Magic Castle. It's a nice effect not something you'd want to close a paid show with but I think impressive as the spectators can see through the silks(really not silks but cheaper see through nylon)& so they know there's no secret device.
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I use it constantly and really like it.
It is strong. I believe the fabric is chiffon.
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Yes, is very strong effect, not hard to learn, but if you do like the Ammar that smooth, you need some time on this.
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On 2004-12-24 02:50, Frank Starsini wrote:
I use it constantly and really like it.
It is strong. I believe the fabric is chiffon.


Yes Frank, it is called chiffon..

I've still a couple lying around from the midt 1980's in lilla and yellow..

Accordingly to MA's site they are hard to get these days, but I simply can't imagine this is true..they hardly did cost more then 1.50 $ in the 1980s and I'm sure also today they are cheap to get..

Somehow the thingy at MAs site is highly overpriced, taken into consideration how often he himself has explained and demoed it on several of his videos..and the chiffon thingy is very cheap..
Maybe MA needs the money badly? Smile

Anyway no prob, he makes his living out of magic, so it is OK, I just have my own thoughts...
After all, the original handling is his, it is just the comparison with his earlier releases that makes me wonder re the rather high price..
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Has anyone been questioned as to why they keep taking the coins out of the head scarf before each penetration as this seems a big weakness to me so I've never performed this routine for the public.
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Warren, The version Ammar has taught on the last couple videos (E.T.M.C.M. and His lecture from the Castle), You don't remove the coins from the silk.

Mike
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I found the ones I use at Walmarts in the womens section, usually hanging on an end rack or with the purses and gloves. They are perfect and have lots of bright solid colors and cost around $2-$3.
I had originally tried juggling scarves and they were to stiff.
Hope it helps someone.
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Mike,
The video I have is Easy to Master Money Miracles vol 3,I should have said perhaps he opens the head scarf to show the coins rather than remove them but still why would you do this when you can already see the coins in the head scarf as it is see thru.
If he has changed the handling to this so you don't have to keep opening the head scarf I would like to know the full name of the video or DVD as I really like the effect apart from that one weak point.

Many thanks in advance,
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He still opens and removes the left over coins to "show" them. It is a weak point and made more so by people who don't practice enough to make it smooth. If you fumble with the silk, there is too much time and that increases the weakness. In Michael's hands, it is a think of beauty with great economy of motion.

A better design to the routine would make it easeir for the rest, but those who put in the practice will have a good routine. You might want to perform it a little differently than Michael if you want to get a stronger reaction. He kind of throws it away in my opinion.

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One of the videos (may be on DVD I'm not sure) is called "Live At The Magic Castle". It's more than 10 years old but there's great material on there. Also does a good job teaching the card on the ceiling.
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Manuel Merte has a similar routine which uses a women's stocking (like panty hose). It's on his Done by Misdirection DVD. It was also described in last month's MAGIC magazine.
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On 2004-12-24 08:11, warren wrote:
Has anyone been questioned as to why they keep taking the coins out of the head scarf before each penetration as this seems a big weakness to me so I've never performed this routine for the public.


It is a theoretical weak point indeed. But since the silk is see-thru the very strong displays override that concern, in my opinion. There are ways around that issue, that I've read and considered. I'll play with them.

However, don't let that one point stop you from giving it a go.

Another strong point is that (during the extraction) the magi seems to not touch the coins. They slip thru un-aided. Other variations of the routine ignore this point. With the MA version, I believe the spectator remembers you jingling coins in a silk, and one slips out. Period.
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I saw Eric Henning of DC perform this routine before. Very amazing and the audience including myself were mystified.
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There is some presentation work required to motivate the proving and the fussing. Give it some thought and time in front of audiences and see what you come up with.
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There is another version which can be found in Volume One Issue Three of the Magic Arts Journal called Slicker Coins thru Silk by Dave Berry. Michael use part of his handling for second coin. You open the scarf to show the coins but you do not pick them up and do a click pass like the original routine. Dave Berry uses this for the penetration of the first coin. His handling of the second coin is great as well.
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Yes, Dave Berry's routine is also good. Correct.
I've been doing this for laymen constantly in the past several months.
They absolutely love it. Really! Honest.

Jon Town's point about the presentation to cover up the fussing is just too easy to solve. I use Peace Dollars for this effect and I always mention that they were made to commemorate the end of WWI. People look up, they're interested. They really like those coins.. especially if you lie and tell them they're worth $20 a piece.

So, open up the silk and let someone take a peek and hold them for a minute.
Then let them put them back on your hand. Then use a Dave Berry idea to keep from re-picking back up the coins.

I think the 2nd coin is the critical coin regarding the touching stuff but I swear, it's a little overboard to worry about the theory here. Good to think about but not to worry about. They're laymen.
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