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I received the Jim Zachary Video for Christmas and have had a good time getting the dice to stack the past few days. I made a dice cup out of a 2.5 inch pvc pipe and lined it with duct tape. I have a couple questions about cups.

When learning, what diameter and surface of cup will help you develop the most consistent technique?

When performing, what diameter and surface of cup will be easiest to use?

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Mike
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I'd like to see a demo of dice stacking. I've heard a lot about it lately and frankly can't see the attraction. Is there anywhere that I can see someone doing this so that I can see what I'm missing?
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Rik,
Just think of it as a chop cup routine (or one cup routine) with dice but also adds the drama of "will they stack" at each phase. Here are some cool examples of some ideas...

When they stack, one die changes color and the original die ends up (you decide where) that was clearly empty before.

They almost stack but you hear them fall inside the cup. But when you lift the cup, they ARE stacked.

Jumbo Die Loads, Colorful Dice

The stack of dice is taller than the cup.

You shake up the dice, stack them, and predict which
number is on top of the stack.

It's really a one cup routine done with dice.
It's fun.

I love it.
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For straight up dice stacking, get the JIm Zachary video (Jim Zee). He stacks not only 4 or 5 dice in a cup,. but 9, and 10 and 14. He can also unstack them one at a time, perfectly catching each individual die with the cup as it swings through the air. The attraction is it is noisy and when you get into the large numbers, quite impressive. I get a great reaction with a 9 or 10 dice stack. I use Jim's large cup for that, by the way. I also use his cut dice to do a quick encore where the half-dice stack end-on-end, which looks various precarious and quite difficult. While many folks have great routines that combine magic with the dice stacking, it can stand on its own as a feat of feat. (or is that "foot of juggling"?). Whether it stands on its own or not as good entertainment is most likely based on the skill level and difficulty perceived by the audience. Kinda like the difference between juggling three balls versus juggling 6 balls or 3 knives.
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I watched Paul Zenon on TV over Christmas and he did a quick dice stacking effect, where he used ice cubes and a cocktail shaker, once he stacked the cubes he displayed the cocktail shaker was full with a large block of ice to match the shakers shape, if you know what I mean.

Anyway it was just different which is why it appeals to people.

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Dice stacking is interesting and I have seen it most often done on a bar for bar magic. It is more of a juggling move than a magic move routine unless the magician puts some magic in it.

Jim Ryan did a great routine and had a thing where he loaded on the off beat. Eddie Fecter of the FFFF had a great routine but the one I remember most is the routine Don Alan did.

He had a plastic cutting board that he used to stack dice on that he carried around with him to do the effect. This way he could do it at any shows no matter what table or table covering...

If anyone likes dice magic I recomend Crandels book and Shoot the works by Ed Marlo... And also there are some great dice cheating moves on the L and L Ross Bertram video's...

I hope this helps...
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Yes, it does help Bish. I've been wanting to get Marlo's "shoot the works" but keep forgetting. Thanks for the reminder.

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The first person I ever saw stack dice was Don Alan. Then years later Mike Rogers.
Mike had more of a routine than Don did (at least in the foggy memory) with a good ending. Mike's routine possessed me to buy a stacking set from him.
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I personally consider dice stacking in and of itself to be juggling versus magic, but as others have said, magic can be added.

Del Ray had a great dice stacking routine where a lot of magic happened, including naming the number that would be showing on the top die of the stack before he lifted the cup, and making all of the dice vanish. (Del Ray's other non-stack-related work with dice was incredible as well.)

Rick Jonsson had an interesting dice stacking routine that he published in the late 70's. It involved the use of an empty Brut Deordorant container as the die stacking cup, and ended with the magician placing the four dice in the container, pushing in the bottom part that you'd normally push in to make the deodorant emerge, and turning the four dice into one jumbo die by the use of "brute" force.

Frank, don't you sell leather dice cups?

Larry D.
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On 2004-12-29 18:03, Larry Davidson wrote:

Frank, don't you sell leather dice cups?

Larry D.


Oh, yeah. I almost forgot Smile
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I have been opening my formal close up shows with dice stacking for a while. It also will attract a crowd at a cocktail party as well. I use the six high cup that Jim Zackary sells. It is perfect. I would buy a couple from him, you never know when he will stop producing them.

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I'm going to get a Porper Dice Cup next week.
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Hi Pete,

Just curious, other than the fine craftsmanship of the Porper line, what is the advantage to his cup? I know that Jim Z's cup is "ribbed" inside which helps to line up the stack when doing five or six high. My expereince is that if you are doing only a four high stack, the interior is not as much an issue.

thanks,

David
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I don't know. I have never used a ribbed cup. I just know Joe only has a coupld left, I like the "look" and he may not make any more for a looooooooooong time.
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I think the Zack cup is too heavy for me. I have a nice lightweight leather cup that Sir Pete gave me years ago to get started stacking and it's wonderful. Small and holds four .75 perfectly with a 1.25 final. I need to get one of Frank's leather cups.

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The cup and dice from a regular Yahtzee game work well for stacking.
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Mota,
That's what I'm currently using for practice. My Yahtzee cup is a awful blue plastic so I can't imagine being seen in public with it. I now have Frank Starsini's gorgeous black/red leather dice cup but am having trouble transitioning from a slick interior to the more "grippy" leather one. If anyone has any tips I'd love to hear them.
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On 2004-12-29 12:26, what wrote: I made a dice cup out of a 2.5 inch pvc pipe and lined it with duct tape.


Now that's a cool idea and one that Amazing Johnathan would like for sure but why the duct tape lining???

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You could find some Dice staking cups in Magic Shops.
They are not so expensive
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Dave, you might want to just try swinging with a little more (or a little less) velocity and see if that changes anything.

Probably something subtle will do the trick. And once you get it,
throw that plastic cup away and never go back.

Don't even play Yahtzee anymore. Smile
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