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zaki_rafih99
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What brand is the best brand for producing cards from thin air either from front or back palm. by best I mean thin for holding more cards.
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The best is simply a personal preference. Every manipulator has their favorites and the only way to really judge this is to simply try a bunch for yourself. Get different types of cards and work with each of them taking notes on which feel best for you in your own hands. Then and only then will you really understand what works best for you personally.

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Hello:

I think that Norm Nielson cards are still the most popular, and for good reason. They are very thin, have a nice snap to them when produced, and have pips on all four corners. They will last a long, long time provided you use a card press to keep them in good shape. I've not tried them, but Norm Nielson sells a deck that has the fanning powder already on the cards so you don't have to powder them; I've always used his regular manipulation cards and have powdered them myself.

Concerning the thickness of a card, a deck made for manipulators is quite a bit thinner than a regular, store-bought brand. I already mentioned it, but manipulation cards have pips on all corners so your fans look good, regardless of which way you fan them. Peter Marvey, Lance Burton, and Jeff McBride all have their own manipulation cards which I'm sure are good, but I've seen more top pros use the Nielson cards than the others. Whichever you go with will be alright - I really wouldn't agonize over it at all.

BTW, you can get Nielson cards at http://www.nnmagic.com - also, if you're not familiar with a card press, he sells them too.

I hope this helps you.

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The NN cards work great, but I've come to prefer Murphy's as of late. The Marvey cards are interesting because they come in two thicknesses and employ an extra black art principal. I've heard good things on the others as well, but haven't tried them all. Many times I just use regular old Bee backs or casino cards, but if you want to produce large volume, production cards are often a 1/3 the thickness or less. Hope this helps.

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I also prefer just using Bee cards that I have broken in myself. They just seem to fit my hand better and have a great feel about them. But as stated before, I think it really is up to the individual performer to find out what works best for him or her. You really have to exeriment through trial and error. Find out what works best for you.

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I tend to agree with McBride... the stiffer the card the better. The cards seem to POP into appearance.
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Well that depends on what effect you are doing and what move you are trying to perform. In some cases stiff cards work best while in other moves you will find worked in cards are the only way to go. If this is the case, I alternate in my card manip act and use body loads and clips of stiff and worked in cards. I can then switch to what I need that will work best for the next sequence.

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I use both Nielson and Bees in performance. I am kind of rough on cards when I do split fans so I use Bees for fanning and Nielsons for single card productions.
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And you can switch between the twon in your performances? I do this as well and use steals to obtain the cards I need for various production sequences.

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Absolutely, I will steal the Bees first for split fans and then steal the Nielsons for singles. The crowd, as far as I know, has never caught on.
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Thanks for the help. I think I am gonna buy a pack of Neilson cards and try them out. I have been using bikes and tally ho's for about 2 years. but they are getting on my nerves now. haha.
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Zaki_rafih99,

I personally use Murphy's cards made by Duffy, you can get them form the magic warehouse : http://www.themagicwarehouse.com/

I use to use Bee's but I found them to be too thick and you need to use fanning powder after a while. The Norm Neilson's are good, the thickness is great but you still need to use fanning powder on them to keep slick. The Murphy's never need fanning powder and the thickness is perfect. If you do go to the magic warehouse look under supplies for murphy's and norm neilson cards. Personaly speaking there is no comparsion between norm neilson and Murphy's, I choose Murphy's.

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I use a red bee deck. It's poker sized, not bridge, and even though I have small hands I don't have a problem with that because of the unique productions I do. I don't powder the deck, and I don't break them in one by one. My hand strength is at a point where all I have to do is LePaul spread the deck a few times and give it a few faros and I am set. This is what McBride does nowadays also, on account of he uses his own cards, not bees, which are stiffer and in large supply for him. I would recommend working with unbroken in cards to build up your strength, but perform with broken in Bees. Once your fingers are strong enough, you could try what I do.
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I must say that the individual card prep method that McBride teaches on his DVD's are indispensable, for me. I can use regular Bees with this, up to 2/3 of a deck (though of course I have to keep my hand in motion a bit more when I use this amount). This would be just too difficult with unbroken Bees, for me.

I saw his new deck on his website, too, but at $10 a pop it's too pricey for me : Though the flesh colored back is nice.
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Thanks, I just ordered Murphy's cards! Can't wait!
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Well!
I like bought ways, from the front it's very simple and effective but the weak point
is you must do it very fast.
From Back Palm you could make very slow and show your hand empty!
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On the subject of card brands, just generally (ie. not just with reference to thickness), what packs are preferred for durability and quality. Also, I'm relatively new to the whole "look after your cards business", but I saw mention above of fanning powder? Excuse me for being ignorant, but what's that?
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Fanning powder, this is to make your card very soft and something like that!
This powder neaded for fanning the cards. If you use cards like 'Lion', 'NAP' etc...
If you are usig 'Bicycle' or 'Royal' etc. I mean very good quality card you don't nead fanning powder to make a fan. Smile
Fanning powder neaded for very used cards or not very good quality ones.
This is only my opinion.

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zaki_rafih99
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The Murphy cards are perfect. It's crazy when I bought them, the deck look so ... slim. I picked up and half of the deck and then started producing them from both front and back positions. It was so easy to do it with these cards. And of course the flesh colored backs made it next to impossible for people to have a chance at seeing a thing. Great recommendation, Jeff77!
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UGM have also nice cards with Bee back design which are very good for single card production and fans. They also sell card wax. I always use powder but last month Yamamoto from UGM was in Slovenia and I bought his wax. It holds much better than powder. Shimada also use card wax.
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