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Stephen Long Inner circle 1481 Posts |
Andre,
That's the whole point.
Hello.
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salsa_dancer Inner circle 1935 Posts |
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On 2005-01-07 15:40, andre combrinck wrote: Who knows? The archive systems we have in place are a little more advanced than parchment rolls. Although by that time humans will have probably developed real telepathy, or more likely will have wiped themselves out. Oh wait, that wasn't a serious question was it...? |
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Drewmcadam Inner circle Scotland 1239 Posts |
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On 2005-01-06 14:48, Dark Thought 13 wrote: Firstly, I am a pro. Secondly, I am a newspaper critic and reviewer. I think that puts me in a strong position to respond to this one. Click Here! (This is only the on-line review, the newspaper reviews having long gone.) “in fact a number of 'Pros' have mentioned to me that his most impossible material just so happens to be on TV..” His MOST impossible? It’s either impossible or it’s not. Make your mind up. “it would seem without the versatile world of being in front of the TV camera DB does exactly the same material as any other pro on stage..” And you got this from where, exactly? Let me assure you that no other pro – no matter what they might tell you – is doing “exactly the same material”. Not by a long chalk. Let’s face it, if they WERE, then THEY would be busy signing autographs, on tour and filling theatres, rather than telling you how mediocre DB is. All right? DB has raised the bar. Accept it, and try to gain something from it rather than knocking it. DB has style, imagination and superb performing skills. If the rest have trouble keeping up, then that’s their problem. But to say that he is a bog-standard performer performing bog-standard tricks is patently untrue. Best wishes, Drew McAdam |
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Winnes Elite user 473 Posts |
Well, it wasnt offensive or making a mockery of anyone - just a bloody good show.
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Partizan Inner circle London UK 1682 Posts |
Derren rocked! He is telling people what I have said for ages. He showed the true essence of human behaviour. Wicked in the extream. The way he demonstrated skills rarely ever seen was awesome. He really has a very, very good mastery of matters of the mind.
I love the conversion of several non believers, they were all under in a bad way.
"You cannot depend on your eyes when your imagination is out of focus."
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hkwiles Special user Howard Wiles 797 Posts |
Well!! There you have it.....all those up in arms about what DB was about to do were totally wrong.
"You can't kid a kidder" or so the saying goes. Mr Brown did exactly that and managed to show that Mediums , Psychics (sorry Bartlewizard), Evangelists etc are all a load of fakes. Lets hope that will put an end to the "Believers" arguments. Nothing at all controversial about the program.Well done DB Howard Howard |
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Steve Martin Inner circle 1119 Posts |
Rather a generalisation, that, don't you think, Howard?
Any man who reads too much and uses his own brain too little falls into lazy habits of thinking.
Albert Einstein |
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Winnes Elite user 473 Posts |
Not really, no.
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Steve Martin Inner circle 1119 Posts |
Any man who reads too much and uses his own brain too little falls into lazy habits of thinking.
Albert Einstein |
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hkwiles Special user Howard Wiles 797 Posts |
Ta ! Craig
Howard |
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Steve Dela Special user U.K. London 961 Posts |
This in my opinion was one of his best shows!
Stunning use of magic and mentalism techniques to prove certain things to the world. I am not religious in the slightest and I think a lot of this is because I do magic. I realised the things that Derren said he realised when he was younger. people are so easliy fooled if they want to believe what they are seeing. It is nice that he didn't knock any of the major religions for two reasons. One he would have had truck loads of complaints and Two, he didn't need to...once you got the gist of the programme, you would start to realy think about what you believe in. The $1000000 question is...would he have pulled it off in this counrty? (I don't think so, well not as easily...not becuase of his skills but because of our social differences) In Magic Steve Dela |
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hkwiles Special user Howard Wiles 797 Posts |
Perhaps the stunt involving Converts was a bad one to include..unless of course you wish to cause a little controversy?
However it was enough for me to see him debunk the so called psychics, mediums,minreaders of this World.I just love anyone who has the sense to do this , Ian Rowland is another who I admire for his approach.By all means enjoy the effects of such but don't get sucked in by them. howard |
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Steve Martin Inner circle 1119 Posts |
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On 2005-01-07 18:50, Craig Leonard wrote: Quote:
On 2005-01-07 19:12, Craig Leonard wrote: Ah... the irony...
Any man who reads too much and uses his own brain too little falls into lazy habits of thinking.
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DanielLove Loyal user UK 265 Posts |
REcently found this post in the Derren Brown forum...
It certainly seems genuine as the effects described sound like items that did not make the final edit... It's an interesting read. I am still waiting for the copy of the show that the producers promised to send to all of the Sedona participants, so I have not seen the edited version. I thought I would share the e-mail that I sent to a producer the day following the Sedona taping. I sent an email after the taping to indicate that immediately after the filming I had felt like it could have been a sham. I sent this e-mail three times without receiving a response. The email that I sent to the producer is pasted below. I am curious to see if they included any information about my email in the program or if they edited out the parts of the filming where I mentioned that this would only constitute “personal” proof and that proper scientific testing was needed. I was not asked to sit before the cameras in order to validate another’s psychic abilities. I was invited to sit in on a panel discussion to be asked questions by a visiting fellow professional who was having a documentary being filmed. That is the supportive role that I was asked to play on that particular day. Since I actually know people who can do these types of things on a regular basis, and have personally experienced psychic phenomena much more impressive than receiving simple smells, tastes and visions, I was not questioning that aspect of the person's performance. Of course these natural psychic talents can be faked. That does not make them less real. Here is the e-mail that I sent the day after taping the show. Hi Ann, I thought I would share something that happened immediately after leaving the Sedona Creative Life Center after the filming. Before the actual filming, I was poised to assist another professional in order to help him bring his talents out into the world. Having over 25 years in this field, I applaud anyone courageous enough to walk out into the public and am willing to assist whenever possible. Therefore, I was in that supportive state of mind for the filming. I have learned to turn my senses down in everyday life in order not to be seeing into people’s past, feeling their emotions and body sensations, hearing their thoughts, etc. When I am “on duty” with an actual client, I have permission to peek in and affect them very deeply. When I am “off duty” I do not enter the altered states needed for higher perception. Since the role I was asked to play was one of a member of a discussion group by a visiting psychic, I wore that hat and did not look into anyone psychically. I did get a sense of sincerity emanating from Daniel’s eyes, but did not “turn on” and probe behind the projection. I just liked him. Here is the interesting phenomenon. The minute I left the property, my gut tightened and doubting thoughts flew up into my head to be played out. He was so accurate that a part of me called out that it was a trick of some kind and it was a program about how easy it was to fake out psychics and have them believe in a well staged trick. It was as if I left a bubble of one reality and popped into a completely different one. One thought was about my role of not looking at the crew while the cameras were rolling or checking for any coordination of information between the psychic and the others in the room. Since my job was not one of scientific validation of another’s powers, I did not perform any of those functions while there. I just played the role that I was assigned and tried to speak about the project rather than selling myself or my philosophies on another person’s documentary. These psychic abilities are so common in my professional world that the idea of faking them seems silly. It would be like having a patient hiding the real symptoms and substituting fake ones and having members of a hospital staff purposely giving false X-ray pictures and lab tests and other misleading information to a diagnostic physician - and then claim that doctor is incompetent because the diagnosis was wrong. I remember studying books from the forties and fifties of how to fake billet readings, mind reading, etc. I always wondered why people would spend so much energy faking something that they could (t)rain to actually do in less than one year. I thought this might be interesting feedback for the project. It was so well done, and Daniel was so accurate at the task, that television viewers will undoubtedly go through a similar pattern of disbelief. If this is such a reproducible talent, it would easily lend itself to scientific scrutiny. One filming should definitely be set up as a more scientific test with each camera in a separate room, with no communication between the subject and the psychic until after the experiment is over. The scents should be uncolored to eliminate visual clues – so only the subject knows the order by smelling them. An independent, reputable person from London should choose the location, secure the food from a restaurant, and choose the subject from a place that is not known to the crew. The film crew enters the location and sets up the equipment so that the cameras and microphones are stationary and the subject and psychic are ushered into separate rooms and left alone with only the moderator saying the numbers out loud to the psychic when given the ready signal each time by the subject. I have worked as a psychic on cruise ships in which I performed the daytime show (reading people from the audience) and Uri Geller was the evening performer. I left the ship (u)nsure of his abilities because he did not let me hold a spoon while he sent the energy through my forearm. I have since bent spoons. I know from my own work, and readings that I have received from others, that experiencing another person’s senses is a common part of the practice. I not only have given detailed histories of my client’s, but describes their body sensations, tensions, tastes, and have entered their dreams and childhood events with all of my senses intact. What a great experience. Daniel’s performance was so profound that I was amazed and deeply impressed... then my mind whispered... if it was real. This was the dual experience that I underwent. Thought you might want to know. I would love to know more about the details of the project and how I might help? How many cities are you doing this type of experiment in. What is the name of the program going to be and when do you expect it to run? Craig Here's the link by the way... http://www.derrenbrownforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=4664 Thought it seemed interesting. |
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promethee Regular user France 125 Posts |
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On 2005-01-08 09:39, DanielLove wrote: Genuine ? It would certainly seem more genuine, if the post had been sent before the show, not just after !!!
La fleur de l'illusion produit le fruit de la realite.
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bobser Inner circle 4178 Posts |
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On 2005-01-07 18:44, hkwiles wrote: Is there any chance at all of getting any kind of intellectual discussion in here anymore, or is all totally irretrievable? (The programme as an entertainment and/or commercial enterprise was FANTASTIC...and held together by a very good actor/presenter, agreed) But c'mon, I mean if I find a (one)plumber who rapes elderly spaniels, are all plumbers elderly-spaniel rapists? DB spoke to a handful of people for heavensakes. And as far as nothing being controversial about the programme is concerned... we sent a cheat to cheat in order to make a mockery of peoples religions. And you seem totally thrilled about the whole process!!! It's little wonder this site is driving me to drinking un-taxed Calvados by the bucket!
Bob Burns is the creator of The Swan.
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jimtron Inner circle 2039 Posts |
I haven't seen the show, but is there evidence that he "made a mockery of peoples (sic) religions?" Skeptics are critical of fakes and frauds, not the real thing. Did Derren say that some or all religions are inauthentic?
In my opinion skepticism is not about having a knee jerk reaction of disbelief. It's about discriminating between real and fake, when that is possible. If real psychics exist, I would be excited, but since I know it's quite easy to fake psychic power I'm not going to believe without good proof. It's not that I have an agenda against psychics; it's just that I want to know if it's real or not. (I do have a problem with someone who claims psychic power and charges money for "psychic" services--unless they actually do have psychic ability, in which case it shouldn't be too hard to prove.) The value of what Derren and Randi are doing, in my view, is educating people. They are not coercing people into believing or not believing. I think that many of us (less so with magicians and mentalists) aren't aware that even very intelligent, perceptive people can sometimes be fooled or persuaded relatively easily. That doesn't mean that everything should be considered BS, of course. What it means to me is that if you want to get close to "truth" or "authenticity" it's good to think critically. I'm guessing that what Derren's trying to do is say, be careful, don't fall for anything that comes your way. But again, I am only speculating as I haven't seen the show. Some major religions speak of false prophets. How can you determine the authenticity of a prophet without skepticism? |
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merlin1979 Veteran user Bottling the impossible 345 Posts |
But c'mon, I mean if I find a (one)plumber who rapes elderly spaniels, are all plumbers elderly-spaniel rapists? DB spoke to a handful of people for heavensakes. And as far as nothing being controversial about the programme is concerned... we sent a cheat to cheat in order to make a mockery of peoples religions. And you seem totally thrilled about the whole process!!! It's little wonder this site is driving me to drinking un-taxed Calvados by the bucket!
[/quote] I really enjoyed the programme, as I have all of Derren's performances and I think that it was a valuable lesson to everybody. I am a Christian and I will be the first to admit that a lot but not all of my belief is based on passion and not evidence. I think it is vitally important, whatever you do or do not believe in, to question things. Whether you end up going with your gut or with what 'science' decrees to be truth is a personal decision but a degree of scepticism is healthy. Whilst one plumber might be an elderly spaniel rapist, many may deal with your sink in a thoroughly honourable fashion and should not be tarred with the same brush. The comments at the end of the programme to the effect of 'all belief systems including scepticism are vulnerable to questionless acceptance' are the valid and important message that was hammered home to me. Merlin |
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Rabbitless Hat New user 65 Posts |
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On 2005-01-08 07:22, Steve Dela wrote: I guess this is why there are no performing psychics or cults over there! "Hey mommy, why are all of those people dancing naked around that circle of rocks?'
"Too much flourish for the magicians. Too much magic for the flourishers."
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Partizan Inner circle London UK 1682 Posts |
Whilst one plumber might be an elderly spaniel rapist, many may deal with your sink in a thoroughly honourable fashion and should not be tarred with the same brush
But what if you called a psychic to fix your sink? That is the real issue! A psychic claims to be able to do something that they have no training for or cannot prove.
"You cannot depend on your eyes when your imagination is out of focus."
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