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munger
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Hi,
Anyone knows good books about public speaking and acting generally?
Sven Rygh
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Regardless of that it has been around for decades, Dale Carnegie Course and the Carnegie books are far from outdated, rather pretty good, if you ask me.
Do a search

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There is a group called Toastmasters that is basically a club that listens to each other speak and coaches each other on public speaking. They are widespread in the US (maybe even outside the US).

http://www.toastmasters.org/
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I was very lucky, I was a broadcaster before I got into show business, so my stage presentation, voice, etc. was almost laid out for me. Sven and Muddy have good ideas there...but that will cost you some big bucks and if it's for stage work, Toastmasters and the likes won't teach you what you have to know.. The best thing to do is to get yourself some experience on stage and see what kind of a personality you wish to develop.

Dunninger was a kid from the Bronx, and over time, he developed a smooth "harvard" accent. I have an audio tape of Dunninger at a very advanced age, when he was in the audience of a magic show at the Gardens in NYC, you can hear him giving his comments about the show and talking to the person who was recording the conversation about some of his show biz memories. And he just sounded like some fellow from the Bronx, there was no harvard accent. So that just goes to show that he developed a stage presence as well. that's something that Toastmasters can't teach you...a stage personality.

Contact a local acting school and ask for exercises to practice good diction and projection of the voice...and as I said, with experience, you'll find out who you are on stage and it will come a lot easier...

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That's true Rick ... I should have mentioned that the biggest benefit (IMO ... others will argue) of groups like Toastmasters is getting over the initial fears and nervousness associated with public speaking (very beginning stages). I am not a stage performer per se, but I do a lot of public speaking and certainly for me nothing has been more educational and beneficial than actual experience.
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Imagine something, Muddy...with show business, not only do you have to remember your patter, you have the test to think about and doing all of the steps, you have crowd control to do both on and off stage and there is that silly voice in your head that is constantly talking to you saying, "how do I look?, are they enjoying this? who is in the audience who knows me"? etc. etc. So that is a lot for one person to deal with. There is a huge difference between public speaking and Mentalism, although speaking is 90% of mentalism...having a good sell and delivery.

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Interesting ... I would have thought that there would be many parallels (Public Speaking / Stage Mentalism). Of course, you've been there and I haven't (performing stage mentalism), so I definitely trust your assessment over my assumptions.

Thanks for the enlightenment!
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Well, Muddy..we are both right..I was just talking to my wife about it, she brought up the point that public speakers can use small cue cards where a mentalist can't LOL>>>WANNA BET ??? I remember once, I was so bad at my patter, I printed it out on 3 big pieces of bristol board and taped it to the stage floor in front of the mic stand !!!!!

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For voice work I would highly reccomend Arther Lessac, and Cicely Berry very practical and useful for all who speak publically.

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munger
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Thx for your help.
there are anyway no toastmasters here in austria.
i´, performing now on stage for a few month, it´s ok in the eyes and ears of the audience as I see and hear after the act.
but I still want to become better, because I for myself be not everytime happy with my act.
especialy I mean my last act, because it was the first time I saw me on video lol
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All good advice, above.
Dale Carnegie's book is still a cornerstone of the business.
And Toastmasters does, indeed, have clubs outside the U.S. Or, if you prefer, various other groups have their own public-speaking "wings"; for example, the Catholic Church has the Christophers' society, which is like the Toastmasters.
Any good little theatre group will help you to develope a stage persona. (Note, the key word here is "good".)
Finally (not to suggest that this covers the issue!), the more you appear in front of people -- and the more often -- the easier it becomes.
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