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Tom Jorgenson
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In the eyes of an audience:

If I can take a scarf and slowly, cleanly and visibly pass it thru the mike stand, or perceive some word chosen from a book...which is the greater feat? And do they care? And can they differentiate between a mentalist and a magician without being told?

Audiences perceive the definition in context of the show: Mix the Magic and Mentalism and it's all the same thing to an audience. Kind of like differentiating between a medical general practitioner and a specialist: they're all doctors. Same with Magic and Mentalism in the spectators mind. It's all magic, but one is a specialist. It is when you define yourself as a Mentalist or Psychic that the audience accepts the label. So it all boils down to your premise.

They don't care what you do, don't know what to call it, they just care if you're good at it. If you do Magic and a headline prediction, they will assume it is a trick. If you do a straight strong mentalism show and do a card trick, they will assume it is mental abilities. It's all about the premise.

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They don't care what you do, don't know what to call it, they just care if you're good at it. If you do Magic and a headline prediction, they will assume it is a trick. If you do a straight strong mentalism show and do a card trick, they will assume it is mental abilities. It's all about the premise.


With Great Respect to Tom, I would need some back up data before I would agree.

I don't believe Osiris is "bad mouthing" magicians or mental magic. It seems he holds the view that there is a difference between mentalist effects and mental magic (nothing wrong with that). then he is simply lamenting the fact that mentalists who hold this view must be very careful when selecting their material so that they don't perform something an audience member has seen a magician to. lamenting because many top, exculsive, mental effects have now found their way into magic programs. seeing this same effect in a mentalist/psychic performer's show may hurt the "belief" the mentalist performer may be trying to create.

I believe Osiris has a valid point/concern. Magicians have these same types of concerns.

and you have to agree, a great deal of "bandwagon jumping" occurs within a certain type of magicians. oh, and I also think bandwagons are bad.


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