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Danny Hustle
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AHHH! Mario, that is GREAT! Six golf balls! I'd love to see that. As an off beat you should stick a golf tee as one load, "How the heck did that get in there?" and toss it over your shoulder.

Sounds like a fun routine.

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Wow, Great Idea Danny!

I like it.

Mario, do the golf balls talk when you load them (since they are pretty hard and the cups are in metal...)????

Please let us know.

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On 2005-01-22 14:52, Tilman wrote:
At the moment, the only source for Seidl cups I know of is Freers Zauberladen Berlin.


Jimmy Bix has them, as well. Now that Frank Freer has passed away, I don't know how long the shop will remain open. I have very fond memories of that shop. In 1990, I made my first trip to Germany. While I was in Berlin, Peter Rckert took me over to the Eastern Zone, which was still somewhat "Eastern," and introduced me to Frank at Freer's Zauberladen. When I walked into the shop, there was a copy of Magische Welt with my photo on the front cover. It was up on the wall. That made me feel very good.

I didn't know Frank well, but that made a real impression on me. I saw him again at Let's Go Magic, in 1992.
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He passed away?
When did this happen Bill?
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Michael:

The balls I made are made of a medium suede. I put the soft side out for a good grip and they are packed pretty tight with bird seed. They've done me well. Good luck with the project.
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Thank you for the info Bro. Paul! I WILL make a set of these.
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Danny Hustle
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Speaking of cups, I just put my personal set of phoenix cups on the block over on ebay along with some other stuff. My ebay id is jolt62 these are tough cups I will say that about them, and these ones had the case, and the wand, and the balls, and the cert of authenticity, etc..

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Here is a set of work horse cups on ebay, item Number 6512237222
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Geez... Frank, a set of cups like that should be in a museum, they are priceless.

1983, Man.

Ronnie Ray Gun was still in office, The Berlin Wall was still up, Sean Penn was Spicoli, the New Kids on The Block were still wearing diapers, and the world was your oyster.

You can see that those cups have played thousands of shows, stood thousands of pitches, and entertained thousands of punters.

I hope somebody buys them for thousands of dollars. They are obviously well loved cups.

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Dan, that would be nice if anyone bought them at all.

If those cups could talk, boy. . . the stories they could tell!

After my adventures in Naw'lens, I moved to Boston in 1984. I worked Harvard Square and Faniel Hall with some of the best Buskers of that era. Cyrus, Birdie, Sonny Holiday aka Rocky,Gazzo, Robert Kirk. Those were some CRAZY daze. We all made enough money to get in a lot of trouble.

I lived in Back Bay sharing an apartment with my brother who was attending Berklee College of Music.

What is the scene like these days? Do you get out there much during the season?

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Hi Tom,

The Scene in Harvard Square is quite dreary compared to how it was when you were out this way. Mostly musicians of varying degrees of talent, a few magicians with table acts, and three or four juggling acts working the big pitch.

The big pitch has changed too. It used to be down in front of the stone bench it has moved up to the open area by the subway entrance. The money just isn't there anymore. the big guys could do a $200 hat two or three times per night now they are lucky to get off one show and make $100.

I work a table act in a doorway and knock out the $10 and $15 shows three or four to the hour. Every now and again I'll pull a $30 or $40 show but most of the time the bodies just are not there like they used to be.

It really isn't a tourist spot anymore. It has turned into a mall just like everything else I guess. The death knell was when they flattened the Tasty back in 98.

Fanny Hall is still the place to go if you want to make the big bucks. But even that has become very mall like and from what I understand the audition process is a lot more difficult than it used to be. I have also been told that the money isn't nearly what it was there either.

Cyrus is still around and still one of the funniest clowns going. I was splitting a pitch with Rocky pretty much every weekend in 2002 then at the end of the season he disappeared and the reports have varied about his whereabouts. Gazzo is out on the left coast at the moment spreading the gospel of the streets to our brother magi. He gave me a call the other night and said he'll be back out this way in a couple of weeks.

There are also a lot of new faces. Some really top flight street acts working Fanny Hall these days. Auditions are coming up in April and I'm hoping I get in. I didn't make it last year. Lack of a sound system just killed me.

The good news is evidently the entire city has been opened up and there should be some great pitches to be had this year all over the city.

So, that's the Boston scene in a nutshell at the moment. Smile

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What kind of sound system to you need there Danny?
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Anything will work there really. I have a Fender AmpCan. It isn't great but it gets the job done. I am trying to scrounge up a wireless mic at the moment as that has always been my bigger problem. Cheap equipment breaks a lot. Smile

A lot of the guys use the limo or the crate.

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Dan,
Thanks for taking the time to tell me what's up in the Bean Town. It's crazy to me that I make less money on the streets and in the Comedy Clubs these days than I did 20 years ago.

I am very thankful however, to be a street performer at heart. Today in Seattle it was 52 degrees clear and sunny. I went out to Pike Place Market and made about $200 in 2 and a half hours. Rent is coming up and I am nowhere close to what I need. You can be sure I will be out beating the cups if the weather is nice.

Thanks again

Tom
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I hear you there Tom. When I got Divorced a couple of years ago I never would have made it without the street to supplement my income. There is no more comforting feeling in the world than to know that when the cupboard is bare, the rent is due, and the bank account is empty, guys like us still have a way to bring home the frogskins.

I got laid off from my day job back in November and "Show Biz" has kept my head above water and food on the table since. When the warm weather hits here I should be doing okay. Now that the initial fear of it is over and I am pretty sure that the light at the end of the tunnel isn't a freight train, I don't think I am ever going to take a "straight" job ever again. It works if you know how to work it. Smile

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Dan,
I posted some pics that were shot today on my blog. Thought you and the others might get a kick out of my pitch. I stand on a newspaper box to gather a crowd.

http://www.ballvase.com/tfrank/weblog//tfblog.htm
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Tom,

That is a GREAT post!!!!

Two things that you point out that we never really talk about here but they are two of the most important things about getting the money.

1. visibility. The higher you are up in the air the more people can see you. The more people who see you the larger your hat will be. No matter how big your props are if only the first three rows of your circle show can see you only the first three rows are going to tip.

This is why you see so many street acts climbing ladders, standing on poles, hanging from tripods, or standing on newspaper boxes. You are the first magician I have ever seen who has a table act stand on a News box for better visibility. It's brilliant and something the rest of us should be putting in our notebooks.

2. Turning a group of people into a crowd. By the end of our show we should not be performing for a large group of individuals we should be performing for ONE audience ONE crowd. They should be working together as one. You explain that perfectly in your blog. We have to teach them to be a crowd and act as a unit and not as a group of individuals. They are all part of the show together and if we are good at what we do when the hat comes out they will all act as an audience to come forward and tip together as well.

A lot of the crowd building we do, "Okay I want everyone to clap and cheer" isn't just about expanding the crowd it is about setting the hook for when we say, "Okay I want everyone to come forward and put some frog skins in my chapeau". We have already conditioned them to follow our instruction as a group. When the hat comes out they will usually follow that instruction as well as long as we have been entertaining.

Just a great post Tom. Thanks for sharing it.

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Cod, that's a helluva cool blog. Holy Mackeral,do you ever flounder when drawing a crowd? That's some grouper you've drawn Smile

Sorry...I couldn't help it.

Nice blog, and great tips.
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Thanks guys. I appreciate the compliments. Getting ready to go out there again and get the rest of my rent!

Dan explained it well about the audience acting as one. I remember back when Cellini taught me this, he spoke of how the police deal with the "mob mentality" I learned that what happens with riots, is that people are stripped of their individuality and begin to act as one big ugly mass.

It's funny to think of all the specialized psychology that goes into a street show. It's also funny to think that there was a day when this information was gaurded as closely as how to get the loads in the cups. Now we live in an age of information changing hand so freely it boggels the mind.

Is this good or bad? I don't really worry about it. The bottom line is still. . . The only way to do it is to do it.
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Tom,

I was the successful bidder for those Phoenix Cups you put on ebay. I just received them today and I have to say, ... they are beautiful! The weight makes the cups feel extremely solid and they do take a deceptively large load. I don't do a lot of stacking in my routine and so, that concern really doesn't bother me much. I know that I'm going to be using these cups for a long, long time.

I just wanted to drop you a note and say thanks!

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