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Frank passed away during the summer of 2004.
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Hello,

I am not sure if there is a topic on this already, But what cups do you recommend for multi use?, (example: Private parties, close-up, street ect.) I have a set of cheap cups which sound bad, stack bad, and are very light.

I am looking for a decent, reasonable priced set of cups. What do you recommend?

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This question has probably been asked, and answered, more than any other in this forum. Try our search engine and see if that helps.

Some believe this is the "Golden Age" of cups. There isn't any one all purpose set, but there are certainly more than ever before to choose from. Check out the website of Bill Palmer http://www.cupsandballsmuseum.com as well as James Riser's http://www.jamesriser.com for some comprehensive looks at what is currently available.
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Mike,

I guess the answer really depends on what you consider to be "reasonably priced" and how often you are using them. If you are a hobbyist, a set of Morrissey cups in copper or brass may serve your needs very well. They stack nicely and willgive you a decent weight. You may want to give them a call though to see what the shipping charges would be to Ireland since they are manufactured in Canada.

I do apologize. I am not familiar with manufacturers in Europe who may be able to get quality cups to you at a more affordable price.

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Try http://www.zauberladen.com/shop/default.php

They have a good line of products, including exclusive rights to the "Cellini" cups.
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Cellini is a great artist and magician, but TBH I dislike his cups..the wobbly thing and the rest of the 'design'..

Apart from the Paul Fox Cups, IMHO, the Charlie Miller style/Bertram Cups are very nice..

I also dislike Gazzos Cups, solely because I think they are way oversized..
Gazzo is a great artist too, it's just the cups he does use..way out of proportion.. Smile

Reminds me of the earlier Chop Cups that where far too high, for the smal ball, no reason for such a high cup.

As well known, it was Don Alan that did cut off a large portion of the bottom of his cup..now the thing looked like it should..

Nothing wrong with the Cups Gary Aninal made for Gazzo, they are looking great, they are just way too large..just my humble opinion...

Anybody can look at Bill Palmers Cups and Balls Museum site and find cups they like -that it's not enough one does like them, there are other factors- but at least one can se what has been available and some of it still is, so one can choose from what's still available..
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Gazzo's cups are actually rather squat. They aren't much higher than the oranges they are designed to hold. Pete Biro's Gali Gali cups have the exact same mouth diameter and are much taller than the Gazzo's. Interestingly, however, although the Gazzo cups are much shorter than the Biro cups, Gazzo's cups stack exactly the same height as the Biro cups because the bead is higher up the cup.

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On 2005-04-18 16:34, Werner G. Seitz wrote:
Cellini is a great artist and magician, but TBH I dislike his cups..the wobbly thing and the rest of the 'design'..


I have grown to like the "wobbly thing" and I think that Cellini likes it too. He came to Tulsa about 14 years ago and during his stay, he converted me to the Charlie Miller Cups that he was using back then. They, in Cellini's hands were just as wobbly as his present cups. I had been using Paul Fox/Danny Dew cups for years, but I saw the appeal of all of the clanging around and wobbling that Cellini did. Now I have turned my Fox cups over to collectors (Bill Palmer and Denny) and I have been using some Phoenix seconds (although I usually choose to perform the chop cup). BTW, I hate to see the Phoenix cups go because no one else is making that wonderful Bertram/Miller shape.
I have done some paintings of cups and balls over the years (some of you have seen my painting in the Dai Vernon cove at the Magic Castle). When I show the paintings to laymen they usually think they are "thermos bottle tops" except for the painting of the Miller/Phoenix cups.
One thing I don't like about the Morrisey cups is their lack of wobble!

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I worked the Boston Marathon today and was doing smaller shows. I did the Vernon routine with Gary Animal's babe cups loading tennis balls from the pocket. These are just super sweet cups. I am just as happy with my Gazzo cups he made.Gary really makes super products. It also felt pretty cool being so portable. My sound system was the heaviest thing I had to lug around.

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On 2005-04-18 16:34, Werner G. Seitz wrote:
...Apart from the Paul Fox Cups, IMHO, the Charlie Miller style/Bertram Cups are very nice..

I also dislike Gazzos Cups, solely because I think they are way oversized..
Gazzo is a great artist too, it's just the cups he does use..way out of proportion.. Smile



I suppose that means I should make room for my Millers as well as my Gazzos? (Super Animal cups to be precise) Shouldn't take much, the Millers will nest neatly inside one of the bigger cups. It makes more sense if I'm to be in the Lobby during the intermission that it's probably too close for the big cups. I was thinking of doing something else, but now...
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My thoughts solely are around the fact, that it is the 'balls' they should be able to se, and so it's not the size of the cups that makes the routine/trick more spectacular?

If one does use a big container and a smal ball, does this make the happenings more visible?

That's my reasoning why I don't think too large cups are an advantage..it's what happens to the balls that counts, as well as a reasonable sized load also can be introduced inside the cups..

I don't say I'm correct, but am I wrong? Smile

I'm willing to revise my view on this, but I simply can't se the cups oversize does add to what the specs can se is happening to the 'smal' balls...
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Of course the "small balls" are proportionately bigger as well, which in itself poses other technical hurdles. I thought I knew C&B until I moved up to the Jumbos. It's nothing to hide a half inch ball between your fingers. Move up to and inch and quarter or more and it's a whole new ball game! All your moves have to be VERY PRECISE (thanks Gazzo) to prevent flashing. Even Gazzo has a set of small cups in his bag for when he's not entertaining hundreds at a time.
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I'm not impressed Dave Smile
Who mention 1/2 an inch balls? Smile
The outside diameter of the 'smal' balls accompanying the Paul Fox cups I got from Ken Brooke way back in the 1970, actually is 1 1/4 inches Smile

PS., just did some checking of balls to be sure I know what I'm talking about Smile ..

I don't think anybody does use 1/2 an inch balls for the C&Bs, IIRC the most common used are 3/4 inchers, 3 of them can be on top of one cup, if one does the penetration/stacking moves, the 1 1/4 inchers can't be there on top of a Paul Fox cup though all 3 together.

Even for the Mini Chop Cup I do use slightly larger then 3/4 inchers, even the Mini Don from RNT II is supplied with slightly larger then the 3/4 inchers, the Morrissey balls for their Mini Chop Cup also are slightly larger then the ones from RNT II, so 1/2 inchers are really smal, I don't hink anybody does use them for the C&Bs.. Smile
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On 2005-04-19 03:11, Dave VanVranken wrote:
Of course the "small balls" are proportionately bigger as well, which in itself poses other technical hurdles. I thought I knew C&B until I moved up to the Jumbos. It's nothing to hide a half inch ball between your fingers. Move up to and inch and quarter or more and it's a whole new ball game! All your moves have to be VERY PRECISE (thanks Gazzo) to prevent flashing. Even Gazzo has a set of small cups in his bag for when he's not entertaining hundreds at a time.


I mentioned this on an earlier thread. It still causes me some consternation. The people straight to the left are my biggest fear. For me, it is the tipover and the pick up the cup from the table moves where I discovered my biggest problem.
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The people straight to the left are my biggest fear. For me, it is the tipover and the pick up the cup from the table moves where I discovered my biggest problem.
The tip over - done by the right hand- , seen from the left side, is covered by the cup itself..have a renewed look at the move.
Apart from this, the attention of the specs 'should' be at the ball on top of the cup tipped into your left hand...don't worry to much, but make sure your angles are covered as mentioned above..
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Sorry Werner, it was late. You're right, 1/2 in. balls are tiny. Paul Fox cups came with 1 1/4"? Are these the standard cups or chick cups? I can't imagine doing three balls in the "attic" with anything that big.
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On 2005-04-19 11:54, Dave VanVranken wrote:
Sorry Werner, it was late. You're right, 1/2 in. balls are tiny. Paul Fox cups came with 1 1/4"? Are these the standard cups or chick cups? I can't imagine doing three balls in the "attic" with anything that big.
Yes, the ones I got from Ken Brooke came with 4 pcs. of 1 1/4 inchers and I actually used them as is, for a straight forward DV routine, with nothing added nor removed, nothing original in it at all.. Smile
Standard cups, but as I said, one can't have 3 pcs. of 1 1/4 inchers on top of those cups.
IF one does do a routine where this is needed -a lot of ppl do- one has to reduce the size of the balls.
To do, f.ex., the Dai Vernon routine straight forward, that size is OK..
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Werner, You are right, but sometimes I noticed my hands would open a little as I reached for the cups. With 1 1/4 inch balls, they would flash quite a bit. The trouble is that I have to leave my hands closed quite a bit to hide the ball and I think it looks like I am punching the cup (I know, overthinking.) What I do is move my hand with the wand (and ball) toward the base of the cup. I am talking about the ball on top and looking at eyes of the spectators. As I near the cup I drop the wand and them grab the cup. I move my left hand with my right to provide some cover.

I don't really worry about it. When I have done this on the street I just do it. I think through the routine and remind myself of danger areas, but when I start I just go. If I suspect that something flashed I ignore it and do better the next time. But I don't know that anyone sees anything.
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Mike,

I guess the answer really depends on what you consider to be "reasonably priced" and how often you are using them. If you are a hobbyist, a set of Morrissey cups in copper or brass may serve your needs very well. They stack nicely and willgive you a decent weight. You may want to give them a call though to see what the shipping charges would be to Ireland since they are manufactured in Canada.

I do apologize. I am not familiar with manufacturers in Europe who may be able to get quality cups to you at a more affordable price.

Kent


Well I would not be using them a lot, I basically just want a nice set of cups to start off with. Then maybe when I get better upgrade to more superior cups.

The price I am willing to spend is somewhere in around the $30 mark.
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